BIB -feel the pain - when you weigh history there are those that weigh in credit and there are those that way less. No matter where the birth certificate (in the city) says...see Goian, Alexander. McCulloch and... WALLACE - Club and team, Captains anyone? if they are both still there? (well if Wallace is we know Lee will be) I never herald the dissing of people that love the club but... actions, actions, actions. As far as I know Goian, Bocanegra and Wallace were never brought up in the Copland. If circumstances (as looks likely) means they go. They go with good grace...I would not ask them to stay because this is way different from their norm. The fact that they are even still around makes them "The Few" which will always be remembered and etched - as Moses (McNeil was) First and Last and Always.