The4thMusketeer

Are they ? So second and third generation Scots for instance for instance in Canada have no right to declare or express their Scottishness ...despite where they were born ? I doubt any second and third generation Scots in Canada will class themselves as anything but Canadian. They may celebrate their Scottish past but at the same time they will 100% class themselves as Canadians. But truth be told....you dont really know. Its why we have societies...where such exiles can express their Scottishness or other nationalities as the case may be. I do know seeing as I lived in Scarborough, Toronto for 6 months and then London for 6 months (London in Canada) with my parents. No second and third generation Scots in Canada class themselves as Scotsmen. They class themselves as Canadians with a Scottish background. Sorry but I dont think you have the authority nor right to suggest that your subjective experience should apply to everyone who is an exile.

Oops, sorry for having an opinion! You can class yourself as whatever you want, doesn't mean I have to agree with it! All depands on your past history in terms of what you class yourself as.........but Aiden McGeady is no Irishman...he is a Scot with an Irish graany. So you are now telling people how they should class themselves....?

Are they ? So second and third generation Scots for instance for instance in Canada have no right to declare or express their Scottishness ...despite where they were born ? I doubt any second and third generation Scots in Canada will class themselves as anything but Canadian. They may celebrate their Scottish past but at the same time they will 100% class themselves as Canadians. But truth be told....you dont really know. Its why we have societies...where such exiles can express their Scottishness or other nationalities as the case may be.

We all know he's not really Irish...he is only Irish in the football sense...christ, every Irishman will tell you Aiden McGeady is not a real Irishman, he only got into the Irish team due too the fact his granny or something was Irish. In real terms, he is British. Many Irish footballers over the years have not been proper Irishmen and most Irish football fans will openly admit this. Many Irish international footballers over the years had never even visited Ireland in their lives. So many non Irishman have played for Ireland due to the mass emmigration form Irelnad over the last 200 years and as a result played for IReland due to one of their grandparents being Irish. One of my Grandparents is Swedish...doesn't make me Swedish though does it? I could play for Sweden under FIFSA riules...but we all know i'm Scottish and not Sweidsh! So all the anglo scots who have represented Scotland over the years...were not proper Scotsmen ?

Are they ? So second and third generation Scots for instance for instance in Canada have no right to declare or express their Scottishness ...despite where they were born ?

Nope We are not needing a grip - what we are needing is a quality striker whose goals to games ratio matches his price tag.

Dear Dek - where have you been for the last few years ? We live in the world of over-reaction.

Oh dear struggling somewhat angel are we not ? The you tube video you refer to pertains to a rugby match.....Im quite certain when the irish anthem is played at Murrayfield it is generally respected. Is it not only a few years ago we did not play the national anthem but asked the tims to respect a minute silence following the death of The Queen Mother....remind me how long did that minutes silence last ? erm...who mentioned celtic? Celtic fans are not Irish. They think they are, but every Irishman I have met classes them as not Irish but strange people with no idea who they are. Are you denying some of our support hates all things Irish? Not a day goes by on most Rangers forums without someone having a go at Ireland. I would refer to you to Joseph Bradley's dissertation which suggests that Celtic are in fact the primary focus for Irishness in Scotland. Backed up by Billy Mcneils comments that Celtic are an "Irish club playing in Scotland" But to hell with the facts.....when did you last see a Saltire flying at Parkhead. Why were thy almost almost banned (until Rangers intervention) from the Scottish league in the 50's ? Which flags are most prominent at Parkhead and what is the origin of the songs palyed oevr the offical tannoy prior to games ? The floor is yours angel.... Did you not read my post? I agreed that many celtic fans and part of their club think they are Irish...but travel to Ireland and most people will tell you they are not Irish. Of course they are not Irish....they are confused plastic paddies...most of them have British passports so how can they be Irish??? They think they are Irish but they are not. If I claimed I was Spanish and flew 40 Spanish flags on the roof of my house....would that make me Spanish....of course not! You should go to Ireland where you will see Man United and Liverpool are far more relevant to your average Irishman than celtic! Tell me why they are not Irish ?

And neither have I - but when they chose to express their culture and their homeland.....has there not been been contributors Dek who have suggested otherwise ?

Oh dear struggling somewhat angel are we not ? The you tube video you refer to pertains to a rugby match.....Im quite certain when the irish anthem is played at Murrayfield it is generally respected. Is it not only a few years ago we did not play the national anthem but asked the tims to respect a minute silence following the death of The Queen Mother....remind me how long did that minutes silence last ? erm...who mentioned celtic? Celtic fans are not Irish. They think they are, but every Irishman I have met classes them as not Irish but strange people with no idea who they are. Are you denying some of our support hates all things Irish? Not a day goes by on most Rangers forums without someone having a go at Ireland. I would refer to you to Joseph Bradley's dissertation which suggests that Celtic are in fact the primary focus for Irishness in Scotland. Backed up by Billy Mcneils comments that Celtic are an "Irish club playing in Scotland" But to hell with the facts.....when did you last see a Saltire flying at Parkhead. Why were thy almost almost banned (until Rangers intervention) from the Scottish league in the 50's ? Which flags are most prominent at Parkhead and what is the origin of the songs palyed oevr the offical tannoy prior to games ? The floor is yours angel....

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Thats a load of nonsense mate. There are loads of Rangers fans over the water, thats true, but they are a tiny minority in the entire Rangers support. You're just a wee spot in Europe remember. See my reposte on this subject

Oh dear struggling somewhat angel are we not ? The you tube video you refer to pertains to a rugby match.....Im quite certain when the irish anthem is played at Murrayfield it is generally respected. Is it not only a few years ago we did not play the national anthem but asked the tims to respect a minute silence following the death of The Queen Mother....remind me how long did that minutes silence last ?

Absolute nonsense. The majority of our support does not come from N.Ireland. THe majority of our support comes from the West OF sCotland...namely Glasgow. Belfast is the second biggest Rangers supporting city in the world. If that is true, (which it possibly is), it still does not make NI gers fans the majority of our support. No I agree and concede my original description was erroneous. Perhaps if I substitute the word significant....would that suffice ?

During the Eire vs Denmark match a couple of years ago....the fans who thought the Danish winger was Lovenkrands and persistently booed him.....what were they expressing ?