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    Black, Mohsini and especially daly

    in Jimmy Bell's Kitroom

    Posted

    I rate Mohsni -- he has technical and physical talents.

    Two negatives are that he does not have explosive speed (neither does Lee McCulloch by the way) and that his occasional loss of focus can let him down.

    If he can work on those things it would help him. (Some feel that speed can't be developed [i.e., that it is genetic], although I am open to the possibility.)

    I'll be interested to see what the Rangers side looks like next season and whether any changes are made after these two recent dissapointing results. Although the leage was won solidly, I am still quite irked by the lack of winning the Ramsden's Cup, which was a clear opportunity to add extra silverware to the club's haul.

    Technically gifted????????? He can't pass and is a liability

    Physical????????? He drops when playing against physical guys

    Why I will always Renew... no matter what

    in Jimmy Bell's Kitroom

    Posted

    Govan Rear GR4 Row K Seat 0112

    I have been going from age aged 6 ...every season. I'm 53. Bill Struth talked of troubled times. Our motto is Ready and our Cry IS No Surrender and Follow Follow.

    I have watched Celtic win 9 in a row, and Davie whites humiliation against Gornik. I have watched Gazza and Laudrup light up my saturdays.

    It's who I am and what I do. I follow. I support. Its unconditional. It's like the love you can have for a child.

    Nick Hornby talks about it eloquently in his book when he was 6 too I think and he realised Arsenal was in his blood and that this love would outlast his marriage.

    I have been privileged to support Rangers. It has been an honour. I look at the Thistle and Dumbarton supporters and admire them for their dedication ....to their "Club"

    This is the essence... i go to Ibrox to support that nebulous entity ... "Rangers Football Club." McCoist has been disappointing and the players disappointing... and I am disappointed.... but I will never stop going or make ultimatums... never. RTID is a phrase I use and I mean it.

    I understand the pain... we should make it bond us.

    Its funny you know...im a low poster but pop in here and read daily... Some posters in thousands or with names like loyal dis the likes of me because we don't have "many posts" but are now talking about not renewing till Ally goes. The measure of the supporter not how much they support but how much they post seemingly. We are an easy club to support in the good times but the measure of us is now... loyalty in the hard times. Struth knew these times would come because that is what life is like. He gave us warnings that hard times would come round. The elders amongst us will realsie the se happenings in our personal lives or marriage.

    I support our "Club" and I will not hold them to ransom. The current Board are unimpressive, McCoist unimpressive, the players unimpressive, however we the fans have been outstanding in terms of support and a little disappointing in our ability to show some cohesiveness. By all means be unhappy with Board / manager and players and show your displeasure if you feel necessary.

    GOAT ... i don't know you but you're clearly passionate and angry. Perhaps I'm older, and having suffered their 9 as a teenager I'm more patient. Think again my friend. Ally will go soon.. his time is nearing, Unless there is a miraculous turnaround which even I don't see. Try and support our Club... evermore... use you passion to galvanise us. ( For the record I have no connections with Board and think our custodians have been poor since Murray lost interest. My view on Ally is at best ambivalent but I will shout for the team and manager on a saturday. This is not a call to renew season tickets but to inspire you just a little to keep going to games next year. If your in GR then say hello hello!)

    I know some of you may not renew or may use King's scheme... which is fine and I won't dis you for it, because these are trying times... but believe me ... if you can grit your teeth and hang in for the rest of the journey it will taste all the sweeter when we get there. I know this was not the journey we imagined and the board appear to take us for granted... I'm simply supporting the "Club" I love.

    I returned from Ibrox today disappointed with result and the last 2 seasons in general. my wife said it's not been a very entertaining season has it. "I know," I said, " If I wanted entertained though, I'd go to the theatre... but I go to support Rangers... cos that's what I signed up to age 6"

    She sighed of course but I trust that most of you might get it.

    Disappointed but Loyal and still following

    Struth "Never fear, inevitably we shall have our years of failure, and when they arrive, we must reveal tolerance and sanity. No matter the days of anxiety that come our way, we shall emerge stronger because of the trials to be overcome. That has been the philosophy of the Rangers since the days of the gallant pioneers."

    :thumbup:

    Now i am sure ye can remember of the rubbish seasons i guess a few are flinging out rattles or their unaware of the state of the Scottish game

    7th minute applause for Hillsborough.

    in Jimmy Bell's Kitroom

    Posted

    The whole thing almost feels like a publicity stunt. Why in the previous 24 years has it not been done like this?

    Because the families have waited all those years for vindication, the police mis-handled the full disaster and tried to blame the victims. After years of waiting they just got an admission so it is very raw at the moment. Do ye not watch the news?

    McCoists signings since administration...

    in Jimmy Bell's Kitroom

    Posted

    When are some folk going to get it that there are very few top players who will be willing to drop into the Scottish leagues never mind the 3/4th tiers. Those that do will want compensated by a larger than normal wage and a longer contract than we might normally offer. The problem we had/have is that the youth in Scotland is not that great, and those who have real promise will head south for more cash. Many on here have advocated signing players from the division we are in, just how many of the guys have ever won anything or played beyond the lower leagues? The ones who have either couldn't cut it at bigger clubs or are at the end of their not overly successful careers. McCoist's side have completed what was our only true objective, winning promotion.

    It has become fairly obvious in recent weeks that there are those who seemed to think we would win our league and challenge for cups along the way. Now we have folk saying it is a failed season if we don't go on to win the SC. Well here's the rub guys we didn't win the SC every year when we had teams full of internationals, so why would anybody in their right mind expect us to do it just two years after administration and having to build a team from scratch with all of the financial insecurity we have had. Getting beat by RR in the Ramsden Cup left us all feeling down but the fact is there have been times when we lost to worse teams than that when we had players of a much, much higher quality in the side. The road back to the to was always going to be bumpy, unfortunately some seem to be oblivious to that or just too bloody minded to accept the reality of the situation.

    The other much voiced argument is that we should be playing mostly youth with style and fair, well if there are such good players around they won't want to risk their futures by playing against the hacking sob's we've faced this and last season while officials conveniently look the other way. Basically they would have been kicked off the park and we would have been in danger of not getting promoted, something that would quite possibly have sent us back towards administration as we need to get back to the top table asap to get more cash in the door.

    100% agree A man that is realistic and understands the game in Scotland clearly a real football fan not suffering from delusions of grandeur :thumbup:

    To Those Still Standing By Ally

    in Jimmy Bell's Kitroom

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    I don't know if he is or not. I don't know if any other potential candidate is or is not.

    Anyway, why do I support him? Defiance? No. Although I think I might be defiant even if I didn't, I don't know. I certainly wouldn't get involved the way some do.

    So, starting with his record. In the cup it's woeful. However, to look at them in more detail the only ones that I think were completely reprehensible are those at the start of his first season. Malmo, Maribor and Falkirk. Although it was early in his time as manager, and that provides some mitigation, these three results were very, very poor. Dundee Utd that season was also poor, but at that point the wheels had truly come off our club and I do not accept those who say what happens off the pitch does not affect what happens on it. It doesn't matter how much you pay someone, they remain human. This is also the reason I won't judge him with the same rigor for the final outcome of that season. Our start was good, however it began to crumble coinciding with when Naismith was injured, but also coinciding with the beginning of things going tits up off the field. That began in September of that year, not January.

    So, the following season. McCoist starts with a squad of 6 (or thereabouts) after everyone abandoned ship. He had a short time to build a squad with little in the way of a scouting network. No foundations. He got a team together and won the league convincingly. The performances were not good. In the cup he defeated Motherwell (great), was pumped by Dundee U (not particularly surprising) and pumped by Inverness (a good Inverness outfit, but at home 3 -0 is not good enough). Not a good cup record, but not unexpected. Also, we lost (in 120 minutes we drew) to a QoS team that turned out to be having an exceptional season by their standards. Again at Ibrox, so still not good.

    The following season, this season, we lost to Forfar at Ibrox in the cup. An awful result. Again there were mitigating circumstances (couldn't play new players) but it was a terrible result, especially at Ibrox. We lost to Raith in the final of the Ramsdens cup, which should not have happened. It was very meek.

    The rest of the season we have gone unbeaten and are in the Semi-Final of the Scottish Cup, which is good, albeit we haven't played a great standard of opposition in that cup run so far. Nevertheless, we are 32 points ahead with a game in hand and a game against second placed Dunfermline to go.

    So that's what's happened. I might have missed the odd thing, but basically that's it.

    Looking at our team, I can't say that I expect all that much more from them. I suspect that many, whether consciously or unconsiously, look at Rangers through the eyes of a fan used to what we had 4, 5, 6 years ago. They have not changed their expectations. That's unrealistic. 'We are Rangers' may sound good but, in terms of the reality of the team we have on the pitch, we are not the Rangers of old. We have a team full of Prem League players. Anyone who watches Prem teams play will know that they, and their players, are by and large very ordinary. The kind of players that will win most matches in the kind of league we are in, but won't necesserily look great doing it. People may point to them being great the season before we brought them in, but for most of them they have not been consistently great through their careers. They have had one or two seasons looking good and several of looking distinctly average. Also, in those clubs their performances are often exaggerated by patronising journos who tend to talk up those clubs players. They use a different standard when judging them. Nicky Law, for example. I saw him several times for Motherwell. He was sometimes good, but much of the time I saw him he was just OK. One stat is that he had 10 goals in 76 games for Motherwell. He has 8 in 27 for us. Different opposition, for sure. But it just shows that he was never some exceptional goalscoring midfielder. We tend to overdo how good Black, Law, Shiels, Templeton were for me.

    McCoist has a huge budget though? He brought them in? Yes, he did. He brought in players to GUARANTEE promotion. That's what has happened. They are overpayed. To an extent we had to, otherwise they would not have dropped the divisions. They are overpaid way too much though. I do not blame McCost for this. I blame the board at the time. McCoist's job as manager is, as far as I am concerned, to take his budget and spend it. It is the job of the CEO and others above him to make sure that budget is right. McCoist has to trust them to do their job. I also think these kinds of players are the best McCoist could have hoped to attract to our division.

    The only players I took issue with McCoist bringing in at the time were Peralta, Smith and Foster. Smith I could just about get, but the other two I couldn't see why he brought them in and I still can't.

    Many say it is the performance, not the results that are the main issue in the league. Well, it couldn't be the results because they are outstanding. This season in the league it's 29-2-0. Look at that compared to the Prem league clubs over the last two seasons. Their record against the bottom two leagues in the last two seasons is 11-4-5. Quite a big difference. 29-2-0 plays 11-4-5. If you add McCoists record last season it is still far better. So, performances. I can't imagine the average top division team is playing well when it is achieving that record. Neither are we when we are achieving our better record. Because, for me, the players are not good enough to play great football. At least we get results though.

    All in, the cup has been bad although not quite as catastrophic as suggested, the league good but with poor performances (albeit expectedly so). IMO.

    Tactically, I don't think McCoist's ability has been as woeful as some suggest. The long ball has not always been as prevelant as suggested, although in the last few weeks it has been getting worse. He has shown an ability to change a game to turn a result. IMO he has made changes to alter a game and substitutions to do the same. However in the instanes this is pointed out, the posts are usually ignored or the fallback of 'he shouldn't have had to change it in the first place becasue we're playing plumbers etc' is adopted. I'll grant that sometimes he is too slow to change and sometimes he is too loyal to players. I also think he needs to stop playing the long ball as often as he does. It's also not played well when we do it. However, things are not so bad as made out.

    As for McCoists wages. I understand the anger. Again, though, I blame the board for this entirely. I don't think anyone - being presented with the contract he was presented with, and being told that it was affordable (by implication he was being told exactly that) - would not have signed it or would have said 'here, wait a minute, that's too much. Lets make it half that'.

    Would I have given another manager the same amount of time? Well, having made the case above (even having spent an inordinate amount of time on the cups rather than the league -which makes things appear worse than they are), I would have to say yes. So yes. However, even if I was some weirdo that had taken the time to reason the above but didn't actually believe any of it and was just backing McCoist because it's McCoist. Well, as BMR suggested, it's better than some of the alternatives. Some say 'but think about the club, you're just puting McCoist above the club'. No. For me, Rangers Football Club is more than the football on the pitch. It's about class, respect and decorum. It's about respecting and cherishing your history and those that contribute to it positively. In general terms, I will normally give a McCoist more leeway than an Advocaat or a Le Guen, just as I'd give you more than a mhank. Maybe I shouldn't, but there you go, that's what following Rangers for 30 odd years does to you. Or at least, to me. But, as I say, at the moment I don't believe it's come to that.

    I'm not trying to persuade you with any of the above, btw, I'm just telling you how I see it. My opinion. Because the OP, and others, asked. I, as a Rangers fan, used to adopting the view that, as a fellow Rangers fan I will afford you a little respect as a freebie, as a starting point. It's yours to lose. I logically believe McCoist deserves to stay, although I admit to wavering at times. However, he also has much, much more respect in the bank to be lost from me.

    It'd also be nice for my opinion to be shown a bit of respect, whether or not you agree. I'm not expecting anything, but it'd be nice if that was how we went about things. Naive maybe. The RM attitude is more than a little dispiriting from fellow Rangers fans (on many, many issues these days, not just the McCoist debate). I do find it wearing me down a bit, largely because it matters. Blue on blue does nobody any good. There's alot of this attitude of people not accepting people with different opinions or people who follow Rangers for different reasons or people who attach different values to Rangers and being a Rangers fan.

    Anyway, I don't know if McCoist will be good enough, but I do not believe he deserves to be sacked at this time. I certainly don't think he deserves snideness or disrespect.

    I also hope to fuck that this is too long for people to be bothered to read. I can't be bothered with the debates any more, which, along with the whole dispirited thing, is why I didn't post for a few days after the cup game. Sadly, my stubbornness got the better of me. More often than not the debates just become circular pointlessness. You know my opinion. I know yours. Magic. Off to the OT or the Discussion Chamber (or whatever the fuck its called) I go for some less debatable debate.

    :thumbup:

    Very good post no doubt will be wasted by some

    Will Ally walk if we are battered on Saturday?

    in Jimmy Bell's Kitroom

    Posted

    Have both his and the teams wages not come down compared to last years, plus for me if there was a small section on the accounts that said they paid Ally McCoist an 8 million pound bonus for the lifetime of hapiness he has provided me and many Rangers fans, I would not bat an eyelid, in fact I would expect our board to go out and resorce that expence, in football you pay for the chance to experience the joys of winning, Ally McCoist has delivered on that and then some. of course he is going through his toughest spell, and even I can see his tenure is becoming very very weak, the players he thought would have improved us have in patches let him and us down very badly, sometimes his team set up is very questionable, tactics at times have let him down but I just don't believe for one minute he is A, unaware of the standards we demand B, he is in this for anything else other than his love for our club. :thumbup:

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    WALLACE PRAISES UNWAVERING SUPPORT

    in Jimmy Bell's Kitroom

    Posted

    He is correct of course we all knew that there will not be continual unlimited support forever as history shows but as long as the greater good of the club is at stake i have no doubt most staunch gers will be there. We are rightly proud to do our part and correctly get angry if team/management do not deliver but all true bears will stick with it

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