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I take it you haven't read the shit he is producing?
I have read it, some of it is uncomfortable, some of it is old news regurgitated and some of it is bang on the money. What of it do you take issue with?
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We need to be careful not to simply play into the hands of our enemies here. Thomson is a serious journalist, one with clout far outside the goldfish bowl of Scottish football. I personally welcomed his interest in us, we've been getting half-truths, agendas and lies from all and sundry for months, if not years, and that's partly why we're in the position we're in today.
We've a bad habit of closing ranks when someone writes something about us we don't like. Our first reaction is to shout 'Tim agenda' instead of looking to see what's accurate or informative. As a support we've not done enough to bring the perpetrators of all this to book. Why have we not been lobbying some non-sports journalists to uncover the truth about how we've got to this point? Why are we allowing vindictive, twisted Tims to push the agenda?
We're allowing Thomson to be influenced by people who hate us. Don't write him off as Quisling just yet, or at least then find someone else who can give us a genuine perspective on this mess that shines some light on the dark recesses we aren't able too. Influence should be a two way street and we should care far more about the truth than anyone else.
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It wouldn't be illegal if the RFFF did it, only if the club did.
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Those letters are brilliant. I wonder if they'll publish the letter from Nicola Sturgeon asking Ally for an autograph and a personal audience.
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Yeah, I've got to say this feels like a positive step for us and Dundee Utd. It is better we owe the money to the SFA and it can be taken at a later date when we are hopefully solvent again and that Dundee Utd, whatever we think of them, are not out of pocket either. As TB above says that it needed to be suggested by supporters is embarrassing but at least it is being done. It feels like the least they could do.
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This story aside a lot of work has been done by the club in recent years to build relationships with senior politicians. Much of this work is unseen, it might yet pay dividends.
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Agreed.
All of this makes terrifying reading.
I'm assuming liquidations means:-
* immediate expulsion from the Scottish leagues;
*having to apply for a place in division 3.
But what about the ground? Would we still own it?
There is no mechanism in place that allows us to apply for Div 3. The SPL and the Scottish League are separate bodies. The Scottish League who administer leagues 1, 2 and 3 have no vacancy currently for a new club. A return to the SPL is a more likely scenario.
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Agreed.
All of this makes terrifying reading.
I'm assuming liquidations means:-
* immediate expulsion from the Scottish leagues;
*having to apply for a place in division 3.
But what about the ground? Would we still own it?
There is no mechanism in place that allows us to apply for Div 3. The SPL and the Scottish League are separate bodies. The Scottish League who administer leagues 1, 2 and 3 have no vacancy currently for a new club. A return to the SPL is a more likely scenario.
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A few years back there was a thread on here about the greatest Ranger ever. Struth quite rightly was most people's choice, his record is pretty much unbeatable and his influence still felt today. Someone suggested McCoist, at that time assistant to Walter. At the same age Ally's record was much better, Struth never played for the club of course but even then you couldn't look past Struth for sheer presence and influence.
In the last few months I'd say McCoist has helped guide not just the players but the entire support, the Rangers family, I think is the term now. The coming months will be historic for us and we've little control over them. McCoist has shown enough recently to suggest he might not simply be the greatest Ranger of our generation but, maybe, of all time.
There is only one Super Ally.
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I don't know about you guys, but I don't trust this Whyte fella.
C'mon, gie him a chance.
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Alexander McCall Smith, Boss? Really? I never took you for a fan of traditionally built Botswanan women. Now where is that thread on Downton Abbey I was about to post on....
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I've no idea what it means it it should send the conspiracy theorists into meltdown.
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This is an odd story - http://www.saintmirren.net/pages/?p=11389
"It has come to the attention of the Board of Directors of St Mirren Football Club Limited that a meeting took place in our Boardroom in November 2011. This meeting was attended by Mr Ken McGeoch, Mr Paul Davies and Mr Gary Withey, Company Secretary of Rangers Football Club Limited. +
During the meeting Mr Withey had sight of and inspected commercially sensitive documents of St Mirren Football Club. At one point during the meeting the Club’s General Manager was brought into the meeting and asked various questions including whether or not the Club used Employee Benefit Trusts (E.B.T.s).
As a Director of the Company, Mr McGeoch had every right to inspect such documents. The Board, however, consider that his decision to show these documents to an Office Holder of another SPL club is a serious breach of trust and an error of judgement.
In light of the information available to the Board, they have asked Mr McGeoch to resign his position as a Director of the Company with immediate effect. Should he fail to do so within the next 48 hours, we regret the Company shall be forced to call, at the Club’s expense, an Extraordinary General Meeting of the Company to consider this matter further.
+ The selling consortium of St Mirren directors were not informed of Mr Withey or Collyer Bristow’s involvement with Mr McGeoch until January 2012, at which point it had concerns over the involvement of Mr Withey."
I've no idea if this is connected to us or part of some internal feud at St Mirren. Odd though.
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From the Vanguard Bears forum 08th March 2011. Or google" the story of the famine song" sorry it is soo long lol, but miss out the song lyrics and it IS interesting readin.
I didn't complain about its length, I simply asked who 'Bill and Will' are/were? It is interesting, I'm just unsure if it's true.
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Garrincha had birth defects and spinal issues, he grew up with them and as such they were the most natural thing in the world to him. If you ever meet a Brazilian ask them who the greatest player ever was. They won't say Pele they'll say Garrincha.
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Bill and Will fame? Bill and Will's fame has passed me by I'm afraid, could you enlighten me. It's an interesting piece although I'm not sure of its veracity.
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Deformed legs didn't stop Garrincha, the Brazilian wizard of 1970's fame.
He was known as 'Anjo de Pernas Tortas' (Angel with bent legs), so this problem Ness has should be surmountable.
....or is the problem in his head?
1970s fame? Garrincha was at his peak in the late 50s early 60s. His career was more or less over by 1965.
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Perhaps but on a topic of Rangers that is not who I think the impartial readers will assume he meant. What gets on my goat is that BBC stories become a matter of public record, let this slide and see it come back to bite us later. There is a reason successful businesses defend to the last penny what is put down in print about them, unchallenged it becomes true fact.
I'm not impartial so it's difficult for me to assume what someone who is impartial will think. I have to say I thought that piece was actually pretty fair. The 'fear of their windows' line could be read literally or as an analogy regarding the importance of the case and the emotion it is stirring in these parts.
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I'm not sure he is even inferring it's us that will be targeting windows. You can imagine what pressure would be getting put on Deloittes or KPMG in Glasgow if a couple of their staff were carrying out the administration. The lunatics at the Rangers Tax Case blog would be having their family tree investigated and their children followed to school. Unless we're towed out to sea and torpedoed they'll cry 'establishment cover-up' to anyone who'll listen. I'm suspicious of Duff and Phelps but they should at least be free of the lunatic Celtic fringe.
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Gordon Smith seems to get an easy ride I feel. Simply because an ex-player is articulate doesn't mean they are intelligent, or indeed honest. Smith's handling of the Scotland managers job when SFA Chief Exec was really poor, his media handling after was simply dire. He didn't have a lot of time at Ibrox to judge the job he was doing as Director of Football to be fair.
Many of us simply closed ranks when the Daly documentary aired instead of asking pertinent questions of Whyte. Smith must face some criticism for not asking a few when he was in a position to do so. Had he done so he would have had an answer for Daly tonight.
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Here is the angle which pretty much proves that stokes dived.
I think that's what the young 'uns call a laugh out loud moment. Excellent.
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Many people found and started using RangersMedia because of the Pravda like mindset that had taken hold at Follow Follow. FF had, and probably still has, some excellent posters, but the promotion of certain ideas and the continual 'sniff sniff' accusations that were made to anyone who didn't share them stultified debate. In my opinion that policy directly led to the rise of RangersMedia. A Rangers forum where posters like AndyPendek, Manticore, OlegKuznetzov, Contacts and WVB could state their usually contradictory piece, 'admined' by the much missed and always excellent Rabbit, without anyone thinking they were Tims or somehow being unfaithful to Rangers was very appealing to many posters.
Gunslinger is a great poster, ShoreRdBear seemed lucid and making an effort to reply. It would be to RangersMedia's detriment if posters like that were being banned, timed-out, or in some other way being unable to post at a very important time for the club.
I'm not a member of the RST and never have been and have particular dog in this fight.
PS Having been on the Shore Road many times it's a brave man who'd ban someone from there!
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Complete fan ownership would be an unmitigated disaster, but having a representative on the board, if they were to be allowed a meaningful voice, would be a good idea.
I'm curious why you think this? Surely our first 'share issue' way back was an attempt at greater fan ownership and largely successful.
Times are quite different now but a club that only spends what it earns with employed professionals running it is surely an eminently plausible entity? The old PLC structure allowed for 'fan ownership' of course, some would argue we've always had fan ownership, questions about SDM's original loyalties aside. This subject gets muddied as people think it will mean everyone should get a vote on what goes on and as such nothing will ever be agreed, but it doesn't need to be like that surely. The single benevolent (or indeed aggressive or incompetent) ownership model, or indeed a small amount of large shareholders has not provan to be universally successful in the past.
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Fair enough.
Newsnow Rangers, Alex Thomson on investigating Rangers.
in Jimmy Bell's Kitroom
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Oh, he's a serious journalist, and an influential one at that. What's he written you take issue with so far?