Lisburnranger
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still holding funds? Can you elaborate on this please for us who don't know, lisburn above kinda hits on this subject but not the way you see things.
Gersave funds have been refunded to members. Anyone who has not received a refund should contact the RST immediately
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Re; the sentence in bold
Isn't that what the RST were doing when they tried to 'starve Green out' and called for everyone to hold back on buying season tickets?
It was John Brown who wanted to "starve Green out". The RST advised members to hold off on buying season tickets when it was clear that Green and his consortium didn't have corporate banking facilities and there was no arrangement with Duff and Phelps to ring fence ST money. Very soon the club stopped selling season tickets because of the lack of banking facilities
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it still does not excuse the fact no one feels a need to gauge with others on this forum from the rst, it seems ok for other groups to attack rm and people who seem to have influence with some rangers fans also do this when rm is concerned, the rst want our money but don't want to give up time to gauge this forum.
To be fair they haven't had q and a with any forum so it's not as if RM is being treated any differently. My concern would be the ability to keep control of it so it doesn't evolve into a sniping match. The supporters rightly have loads of questions which all involved are prepared to answer which is why they have the "ask a question" button on the website
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Fury you obviously know people and are quick to defend, why not get someone to pop along for question session, clear lots up really? The rst should be guaging forums on an issue as serious as this, this forum comes under the rangers family and it would just be nice if someone popped up now and again for that clarity that is paramount here.
Serious question, you can see how this thread has gone, how many constructive questions and answers do you think we would actually get? There are those who have made their mind up, and nothing will change it. They are perfectly entitled to do this. Those that have questions can ask them here.
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I am an RST member. No I have not been asked to join the board - I think they have a full board now anyway since the last AGM.
Personally I think it is a good way for people who are more interested in the fans being represented in the running of the club, or who can't afford the £500 minimum investment, to invest in the club. Nobody knows what the take up of shares will be although I accept all the noises are positive about a full subscription. I wouldn't be telling people not to invest £125 through the Trust, which will go directly to the club, if I wasn't 100% sure the IPO can be fully subscribed.
I'll be investing through the RST because I think a group of fans investing together will have more of a voice. Even if it starts off a small voice it can build in time and I think that is important if we've learned any lessons from Murray and Whyte. It amuses me when people say that supporters could band together and vote together. Yes they could, but they never have and the RST scheme provides the chance to do exactly that.
For me it comes down to what is more important to the individual, a share certificate on the wall or a democratic voice in the future of the club. Up to people to make that choice for themselves.
Also I am not dismissive of RST critics. Some people have personal issues with people on the RST board which means that anything they do is opposed for personal reasons. That is nothing to do with the RST or the club. If people want to criticise the scheme I think that can be healthy and improve it, what I don't like is when people spread misinformation which a couple on this thread are doing.
Investing directly in the IPO or through the RST scheme are two options which are not mutually exclusive of each other.People can do either, neither or both. Many people who invest through the RST will also purchase a small number of personal shares post IPO so that they can have their individual invite to the AGM and their share certificate. This is what I will do
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There are some very valid questions in this thread. For those who have questions about how the scheme will work, you can ask the people involved.
https://buyrangers.zendesk.com/tickets/new
You will get a response to your questions.
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little left with the rest of the traitors and came crawling back when he realised there wasnt any intrest from other clubs...never wonder why he signed with us a bit later than the rest ?
Are you at it? Little was out of contract at the end of last season and wasn't offered new terms due to the uncertainty. Same as Salim Kerkar. He continued to train with Rangers and was then offered a new contract which he signed. Calling him a traitor isn't just harsh, it is totally untrue.
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If you're talking about the chants towards the steward, I thought they were hilarious and exactly what the pleb deserved.
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I was told nothing by nobody, and I have absolutely no sources or friends on the inside who could or would tell me anything. Just like everybody else on this thread
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It looked to me like he made the sign of the ball. I think he was trying to indicate that he was holding onto possession as opposed to throwing the ball into the box before any of our forwards were actually there.
At that time we were only 1 up so I thought it was the sensible thing to do.
This, but that doesn't help the Timposters have a go at Rangers players
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What a guy! One of the most underrated men at the club! KING PIP
How are you doing Pip?
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At no point did I suggest your view was misguided or wrong. You are perfectly entitled to hold your opinion, as are others to hold alternative viewpoints.
I enjoy going on messageboards to discuss and debate Rangers with fellow supporters. You my friend appear to be more of a Dingwall/RST hater than a Rangers supporter. Either that or you're a troll. Either way I'm out.
Edit - I didn't know the story behind the word bigot. Very interesting
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What a crock of shit, after they lambasted people trying to buy the club, calling for fans not to buy season books...it's you my friend that has thos misguided view of those weak people and the devious one on the ffrst.
Double post....................
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my fuck man. you are so one tracked mind re that chappy, how the fuck can you stick up for a guy that made a full out of a trust 
I didn't stick up for anyone. I merely made an observation. You are completely entitled to your opinion on MD and the RST. The way you verbally attack those on here who exercise that same right and form a different opinion is out of order. The Rangers support is a broad church united by their support of the club. Your posts to those who back the trust are aggressive and staggeringly arrogant.
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You really hate Mark Dingwall don't you? Did he pump your Mrs or something? The arrogance which makes you believe that you have the right to slate other supporters just because they don't agree with you is a disgrace.
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Just wanted it clarified, then must have been 20 votes for him if no-one opposed him, this what I mean bud,,,,,,,,,,,,,how can anyone take this trust-less trust seriously when they allow this to happen..............the usual people told of the meeting then. The man by his actions s an embarrassment.
If he had any decency he would have resigned and disappeared when he issued that cheque..............don't but this he thought it would have been presented a week later ..................hello.............post dated cheque anyone that would have saved any problem, plus as many have alleged the matter was not settled for 18 month and this is someone you want involved in this organisation.
This organisation lives in cloud cuckoo land as to their status in the overall club that is Rangers. The press will still be waiting to see how this plays out and they will come gunning for him. He seems to be very very quiet nowadays..................but certainly not forgotten.
Mr Bouncy Bouncy I thought was kinder than some of the names attributed to him.
As Bearger mentioned the attendance was around 100. I received an email from the RST, it was advertised repeatedly on Twitter and Facebook.
Just out of interest, are you a member of the RST ED? Whenever MD has spoken he has been introduced as being from the RST, not a supporters spokesman. For that you would need to look at Ross Blyth and Andy Kerr, or John MacMillan
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Who are you talking about.
Mr Bouncy Bouncy as you have christened him
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Yes the man you mention was indeed the man who walked into our offices for advice on setting up this trust-less trust as a more apt name..........and certain others who appeared as a result of that meeting.......until the coming of Mr Bouncy Bouncy.
Again have you raised the point as to this man still being involved?
The reason the man is still involved is no great mystery. He was retired by rotation from his position on the board and was up for election again on Friday. He was voted on unanimously. Not a single person raised any concerns about him.
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On a slightly different note, we were paying MIH somewhere in the region of £500k per year to administer this EBT for us. Does anyone think MIH would be on the hook for any of this considering it is the administration of the scheme that is the problem. Craig Whyte took on full liability for the case when he bought the club, but I wonder whether that would be enforceable in the event of any alleged criminality surrounding the takeover
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Here is the latest response from the New new New new bbc, I will consider it before replying, all comments welcome
"Thank you for contacting the New new New new bbc. Your comments were passed to one of the producers in our Sport Department who has asked that I forward his comments as below.
"On 4 August, in response to your initial enquiry, you received a pre-prepared standard response from the New new New new bbc's agent, Stuart Bell. Although preparation of these responses is normal practice for major news stories, this response should not have been used after 1 August.
Your return complaint of 5 August should also have been dealt with more expeditiously and for that failure in our procedures we can only apologise.
You are correct that Sevco changed its name to The Rangers Football Club Ltd. on 1 August. The name change took place that day, although the papers weren't declared by Companies House for a week or so.
In terms of the New new New new bbc Charter, the New new New new bbc has indeed ensured that a controversial subject has been treated with due accuracy and impartiality and we reject any notion that this is not the case.
Your complaint seems to centre on how New new New new bbc Scotland refers to the club currently playing football at Ibrox. As far as that is concerned, New new New new bbc Scotland will continue to make the distinction between off-field and on-field activity in relation to the parent company and the football club, where appropriate - in order to accurately explain a complex financial and sporting story.
For example, if the New new New new bbc is referring to the First Tier Tax tribunal at the Court of Session in Edinburgh, it would be entirely appropriate to make the distinction for the audience between the oldco (which operated the EBT scheme being challenged in court) and the newco (which claims to have no responsibility for the debts incurred by the previous owners).
If the New new New new bbc did not do so, the corporation would undoubtedly receive complaints saying that it is blaming the current owners of the club for problems caused by the previous owners.
Lastly, Rangers received a "conditional" SFA licence on 27 July, as reported by every major media outlet. The conditions of which were: the payment of all football-related debts; the delivery of a business plan and company structure; acceptance of the charges for bringing the game into disrepute, and, a reservation of the SPL's position to investigate the use of EBTs under the previous parent company.
To date, the club has not settled all of its football debts - or certainly, has not made the information public if it has done so - and the SPL's investigation into the use of EBTs under the previous company has not been concluded."
Thank you, once again, for taking the time to contact us."
Details of the New new New new bbc complaints process are available online at http://www.New new New new bbc.co.uk/complaints/handle.shtml
Kind Regards
Kirsty McCrudden
New new New new bbc Complaints
www.New new New new bbc.co.uk/complaints
NB This is sent from an outgoing account only which is not monitored. You cannot reply to this email address but if necessary please contact us via our webform quoting any case number we provided."
http://www.New new bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19243568
New new bbc reporting on 13th August that football debts were settled
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If you listen to Derek Ferguson you could be forgiven for thinking that Durrant should be the one apologising to Simpson. He actually stated live on Radio Scotland that he thought Simpson suffered more than Durrant after the incident.
It was one of the most disgraceful assaults I have ever seen on a football pitch and I don't think anyone could blame Durrant if he refuses to forgive him
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The tax advisor was Paul Baxendale-Walker. He has now been struck off as a solicitor and is involved in the porn industry. Despite his seedy antics now, back when the EBT's were set up, he was well regarded in the tax planning area
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Thanks for the update LR.
Its far too easy for people to say "oh another Mark Dingwall hater" or "another Trust bashing thread" and just dismiss criticism or concern as exactly that. What should concern them is that there are a considerable no. of Bears out there who are neither "Mark Dingwall haters" or "RST bashers" but have serious misgivings due to the content of that statement.
I would go further than you and say the whole thing doesn't reflect well on the RST as a whole, rather than just Mark Dingwall.
For those who have been actively involved in committees of any kind the circumstances which Harris alleges are absolutely abhorrent. They throw up issues relating to governance, cliques and inappropriate use of funds.
You are right, but the allegations have to be heavily caveated in respect of the auditors report. As with many situations with extreme views, the truth is more than likely to be somewhere in the middle.
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Whether he is a "rat" or not Lisburn - are the allegations he has made bona fide ?
I don't know the ins and outs of exactly what happened. I think it's true that the money was outstanding for a significant period of time. The story I was told was that MD covered a table at a dinner event and was let down by the people going, leaving him with a pretty hefty sum to pay. (More than he could afford) I don't know the figures or the story behind the bounced cheques.
Most of my knowledge of these events comes from message boards and 2nd, 3rd and 4th hand accounts from friends
Alan Harris claimed rules 6, 74 and 75 were breached. Following legal advice the auditors disagreed. That much is clear from his statement. As I said in my previous post, there are well established processes he could have followed to take this further. That he chose not to, speaks volumes. I agree that the whole thing (if true, I don't know the full true story) doesn't reflect particularly well on Mark Dingwall. I can sympathise with him being left with a large bill which he was unable to pay straight away, but bouncing cheques is poor form.
Alan Harris' opinion is absolutely not objective and is every bit as biased as MD is perceived to be. I have more contempt for Harris than I do for most Celtic fans. At least we expect treachery from them. Harris is without doubt an enemy within.
my fuck man. you are so one tracked mind re that chappy, how the fuck can you stick up for a guy that made a full out of a trust 
www.buyrangers.org (RST scheme)
in Jimmy Bell's Kitroom
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The purpose of Gersave was to allow supporters to save money and acquire shares in the club. The biggest obstacle to this being a success was the lack of availability of those shares. As you know David Murray owned 92% of them and the remaining shares were held in the main by supporters who were emotional investors (as we all are) so had no intention of selling. Gersave wasn't as successful as the RST intended, but that was due in the main to matters outside their control.
I would be interested to know what the better more productive ways to support the club are. Doing exactly what we did before doesn't really count as we have seen the dangers in that.