chris81
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I await a low post counter with more knowledge than God to confirm.
I can confirm
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once you get your head round what is considered racist language and what isn't, you should look into how swear filters work
So why is Paki not filtered!
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Ha!
RM auto corrected me!! try it!
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But 1 black man calling another (his friend) 'my n'igger' isn't racist, obviously, put in the context. Same goes for Paki, and used in a friendly way is what CG was referring to.
But for you state that N'igger is a racist term and Paki isn't is wrong, they are both racist terms. They both derived from words, which in origin, weren't racist, but came to be so due to their widespread use in society. Both are recognised by law as racist. But you could put both into context whereby it wasn't being used in a racist way. BUT they ARE still racist terms.
does that mean charles green will get charged then for saying paki? Will you and I get charged for writing Paki? You will not write n***er but will write Paki?
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because i don't like to play nice with what i percieve to be ignorance. I know where you are coming from, you can say Paki, like CG claims he uses the term, and not be racist. I agree, i have similar banter with a couple of friends.
But 'N'igger' 'Paki' ' Spic' etc are all racist terms as recognised by society and the law due to their widespread usage in racist fashion.
You seem to think there's a threshold that the word 'ni,gger' crossed that the term 'paki' is yet to cross. What about 'yid'? Did enough Jews die during the holocaust to justify that one or does that not meet your threshold like the term 'ni'gger'?
Either way, lets just go with the law, and the law says Paki is a racist term.
I have absoultely no issue with whatever private banter Imran and CG have, he can call him a dirty paki and he can call Charles a stupid old honkey until they are blue in the face in private - but the CEO of this football club coming out and publicly endorsing a racist term, as so recognised by law, is a true facepalm moment for every Rangers fan, i'm embarrassed by our CEO tonight.
And another point, it's bad for business, isn't this a man who wants to build soccer schools all over the club, including asia? I'm sure the type of headlines printed in tomorrows papers won't be doing him any favours.
because i don't like to play nice with what i percieve to be ignorance. I know where you are coming from, you can say Paki, like CG claims he uses the term, and not be racist. I agree, i have similar banter with a couple of friends.
But 'N'igger' 'Paki' ' Spic' etc are all racist terms as recognised by society and the law due to their widespread usage in racist fashion.
You seem to think there's a threshold that the word 'ni,gger' crossed that the term 'paki' is yet to cross. What about 'yid'? Did enough Jews die during the holocaust to justify that one or does that not meet your threshold like the term 'ni'gger'?
Either way, lets just go with the law, and the law says Paki is a racist term.
I have absoultely no issue with whatever private banter Imran and CG have, he can call him a dirty paki and he can call Charles a stupid old honkey until they are blue in the face in private - but the CEO of this football club coming out and publicly endorsing a racist term, as so recognised by law, is a true facepalm moment for every Rangers fan, i'm embarrassed by our CEO tonight.
And another point, it's bad for business, isn't this a man who wants to build soccer schools all over the club, including asia? I'm sure the type of headlines printed in tomorrows papers won't be doing him any favours.
It's all in the context for me. All in the context. Like I said we are not going to agree here.
Anyway one thing we do agree on is we could have done without it.
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I know where you are coming from mate, but I don't quite agree.
The term 'paki' to me has crossed the line from acceptable to unacceptable. I am never one of these folk who will have a go at someone for using a term they did not believe to be controversial or unacceptable, but I would expect a CEO to be able to identify a minefield when he was in one.
I think there was a case where someone used the term 'gollywog' describing the old doll on TV a few years back, and the person was hounded by the offended masses, there was no intent and it was a nothing issue. The same when Hansen a few years back referred to a 'coloured' player, which whilst being not the correct term these days, is hardly a big issue.
For a CEO to come out and state he uses the term 'paki' is just stupid though. I work for one of the big banks and there are many folk of Asian decent there. If I called one of them a 'paki' I would quite rightly be up on a disciplinary.
Yip thats a fair point m_m. It is a fine line and I appreciate the fact you think it's over the line. I think it's the hysteria that gets me, like you said it's hardly a big issue when it really wasnt meant to offend. I think people need to stop and really think about why they are being offended.
In saying that I totally agree about CG. It was stupid and something we could be doing without. I've loved the prompt statements from CG since he came but I think he needs to chill out and choose his battles wisely.
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is racism and racist language that hard for you to understand?
You already explained how the word n'igger went from the latin word for 'black' and trascended into a racist term. I know old folk who still use the term 'negro', infact i heard an old woman describe a couch as being 'negro brown'.
Words evolve, n'igger, negro, etc... evolved from latin to eventually become a widely recognised racist slur to blacks, africans, african americans.
Paki, obviously not on the same scale, but still, took a similar route. If you ask the average joe on the street, or ask your lawyer, what the term means, they would tell you it is a derogatory term for an asian or a muslim, as so used in this country.
Spic is a racist term in a america to those of Hispanic descent.... but going by your logic, it would just shorthand for 'hispanic'.
People often counter the arguement, "what if i called you a Brit, or a Scot". Then no, it wouldn't be, but consider i moved to England and was constantly called "a jock" in a deragotory way. Imagine people shouted "hey no-one sit next to that fuckin' jock" in the staff canteen. Eventually it would become nothing more than racial or xenophobic driven bullying.
Ricky, why could you not have put this point across at the start instead of just dimissing everyone and actlng like an arsehole? This is a well constructed point well done.
I do not think you can compare the plight and struggle of black americans to people using the word Paki, no matter how you paint it. I also take into consideration your point about law deeming Paki an illegal word but to be honest IMO it's not racist. Like you said it's the context in which it is used. Thats just my opinion. Like Jock, how anyone could be offended by that is crazy but start calling me a jock bastard in a derogatory fashion then thats different. The same with Paki. Like I said in previous other posts we are not going to agree on this.
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Much as it pains me to admit it, there was one snippet of slight truth. The forum has gotten worse recently imo.
Then again, the irony of why does not miss me in relation to this thread.
Lol I hear you. Time for me to retire for the night and I'm taking my common sense and reason with me
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See you and your elitist ways! I'm offended by your self interest on whether you're actually offended. From today henceforth, it shall only be stated as "we are offended", to not say it that way means you have not given the collective a voice, thereby, silencing them...
From today we should just say human, not anything else.
Just waiting for the WWF to say that offensive to animals ffs
you cant have "we are offended"! that fact you think you can speak on my behalf offends me greatly! pffft the cheek of it all
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indeed, bears den is a hotbed of idiots these days. PC gone mad rubs everyone up the wrong way, but racism is racism and our CEO should shut his fuckin pie hole and get on with his job.
hotbed of idiots? there you go again, anyone disagreeing with you is an idiot?
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Maybe you should read it again.
So can i say black then? People use that to offend black people. I'm pretty sure the court would say i cant say black bastard?
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Maybe you should read it again.
I stand corrected.
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So now you're a law unto yourself? Great arguement.
It was an attempt at humour Ricky. I cant be arsed with you anymore. I need to agree with getstiffed, your dismissal of everyone else's opinion is poor. So if the court statement is true then you better not call aussie ausiies or yanks yanks etc. What a world to live in eh?
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Is your only response that anyone who disagrees must need an education or is ignorant?
Notice how you are the only one dismissing and discrediting everyone elses opinion.
Maybe you need some education mate, start off with looking up the word bigot.
It's all he's got to be fair Getstiffed
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Same post as on the other thread
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1433212/Fans-Paki-taunt-was-racist-High-Court-rules.html
"Fan's 'Paki' taunt was racist, High Court rules"
"Lord Justice Auld overturned the ruling yesterday, saying it was clear that the word "Paki" - short for Pakistani - was "a slang expression which is racially offensive".
He dismissed claims that the term could be used affectionately in the way that Australians are sometimes called "Aussies", Britons "Poms" and Americans "Yank.""
The ruling, thought to be the first time the word 'Paki' has been defined as derogatory under the 1991 Football (Offences) Act, was welcomed by the CPS.
Maureen Shea, head of its trials unit in North Staffs, said: "The significance of this ruling is that it clarifies the fact that the term 'Paki' is racist under the terms of the Act and anyone else who uses it in a chant at football matches will be found guilty."
Court also said OJ was innocent. Doesnt make em right
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Disagree if you want, if you want to kid yourself on that Paki isn't a racist term then shame on you.
Shame on me nothin. dont give me your condescending pish.
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Spot on
Never understood the term Paki being viewed as racist. The clue is in the name of the country: PAKIstan. :pipe:Don't use it much myself but I do call the wee brown mustachioed guy in the shop down the road 'Apu'. All banter taken in good humour. He's been known to call me a 'fat ginger bastard' once or twice when there's a queue and I start eating the doritos before i've paid for them. No offence taken my hindu friend!
CG should not have to apologise for not censoring his words. If anything comes out of this we should question why this 'charity' is laying down the law as to what we can and cannot say!
exactly! so by Ricky's logic if enough people call you a ginger bastard then we should ban people saying the word ginger. Nice to see some good old fashioned banter between you and your hindu friend!
(tu) .....ya ginger bassa!!
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I've witnessed first hand many asian, idnians, muslims, in this country, endure disgusting racial abuse being called 'paki', etc... and i'm sure you have too.
Let's not pretend that it doesn't meet some kind of threshold (that exists in your head) to be considered racist. It's used widely as a racist term, because it is.
Well you didnt really answer my question. Anyway Ricky, I tried to finish this a good few posts ago by saying at least I know why you think it's offensive but disagreeing with you. You responded by telling me to go back to school. I would'nt even have questioned you in the first place had it not been for your dismissal of others posts by telling them they have low IQ's which is a poor way to get your point across. Try some constructive points in your posts next time. I cant be arsed sitting here all night arguing with you. Lets agree to disagree.
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Pakistanis come over here and are treated better than "natives". So how does it equate the 400 years of persecution the Afro-Caribbean Americans endured?
Fuck sake.
exactly its not even nearly the same. I'm ready for giving up now just going round in circles
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So your logic is, when a particular race or sector is abused through the use of a word, then that word becomes a racist term?
Let me turn it around then. If people start saying "fucking poles" or "pole bastard" does that mean we cant call the polish poles?
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No. If we had done the same to Paki's in this country I could understand why the word Paki alone would cause offence.So your logic is, when a particular race or sector is abused through the use of a word, then that word becomes a racist term?
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tell us again why N'igger is racist.
Ffs Ricky are you pullin ma plunger or what? You cant read the post again? When Black people where enslaved in America their "owners" called them niggers. The people who killed their families called them niggers. The people who denied them basic human rights called them niggers. Me calling a black man a n***er would obviously be deeply offensive and racist.
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Going by your logic, there is no such thing as a racist term.
No. Nig*er is racist. black bastard is racist. paki bastard is racist. All are derogatory terms and used in a derogatory way against someones race. The word Paki is not racist. By my logic there is no such thing as a racist term? I need to go back to school? I wish you would stop using the word logic, it's obviously lost on you.
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Yes I know what you mean but once such words have been used in a derogatory fashion they become somewhat socially unacceptable and not ones the Rangers CEO should be using in an interview in which he is representing the club.
That's certainly my issue with it.
Definetley agree that Rangers CEO shoud not be using this in public. Idiotic to say the least. I understand what you're saying Big Al but I have to disagree on this occasion. At least you are able to form a sentence to express your opinion.
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