[Collymore the pisshead on the attack]

1 hour ago, Inigo said:

I know, because I know shareholders (in my family) from the 60s and o wards when there weren't very many shareholders and were familiar with those in the corridors of power.

Everyone knows it was the case anyway. I mean, statistically, it's like looking at GCC's choices for Lord provost and claiming it shows nothing. The number of Catholics that we signed was so far below representative that it has to have been, even taking into account the fact that they would likely have been sellic fans.

But that's btw. I know it's true from family and and everyone else, if theyre honest with themselves, knows it was the case 

I don't think it ever was as simple as that.

If you want to go down the road of proportional representation, then Celtc would today mostly be a Protestant club in much the same way that Hibernian are.

Simple demographics would have insisted upon such a development.

However, Celtc at every level of employment for all of their existence have totally turned proportional representation on its head.

As for Rangers, we signed RC's freely more or less until three things kicked in.

One was the success of Celtc and the aspirations of young Catholics who were good enough to play for Rangers wanting only instead to play for Celtc, the second was RC schools separating them in their football development and the third was the Great War where the 1916 Easter Rising was seen as a betrayal and caused a rift that wasn't easily mended between the Roman Catholic Irish in Scotland and the host Protestant population.

In the end Rangers had no need to waste time upon chasing after good footballers from what was a very small part of the population.

This evolved into no RC's in the Rangers side.

[Fabio Cardoso: I love life in Scotland and I'll stay to fight for my Rangers future]

13 hours ago, Ger_Leon said:

Yes he's had his moments, but he's a young man. Morelos aside the only ones i'd keep from Caixinha's reign are Candieas and Cardoso.

Oh well, it looks like curtains for Dorrans, Jack, and Declan John.

Which is a shame.

I hope it doesn't also mean McCrorie back to the development squad?

[Fabio Cardoso: I love life in Scotland and I'll stay to fight for my Rangers future]

24 minutes ago, Gustav said:

Difference is Cardoso is someone we could get money for to reinvest, nobody is going to spend anything on that lot

Well maybe Herrera but we'lll be lucky if that happens

Cardoso is a good footballer, he is comfortable on the ball, can take a touch and can make a forward pass.

As a centre back he is still young and is far from the finished article.

The fundamentals of defence are positioning, or as Warburton would say, pitch geography, these can take time to become accomplished and that is why many centre-backs don't come into their own until mid-twenties and indeed flourish in their later years.

Davie Weir at Hearts.....I wouldn't have touched him at the time, but later after years down south, he was almost the finished article in reading the game and positioning himself and the rest of the defence.

 

Cardoso has a good attitude and if he develops those fundamentals, he will one day be a very fine performer in the centre of defence.

He is still considered a prospect in his former homeland, and thus his development may not continue at Rangers as we may decide to cash in.

Either way, I like the lad and wish him well.

 

[Did We Miss a Trick With Davie Moyes?]

12 minutes ago, KingKennyMiller said:

That's lovely. A truly lovely sentiment.

But in the footballing world nice guys like Murty tend to get chewed up and spat out again.

We need a born leader, a Jock Wallace or a Walter Smith type.

Two draws at the piggery and a couple of decent results in the States doesn't change it for me. He's not the man to take us forward. Sorry.

Murty has the rest of the season.

So it will be an exercise in suck it and see for us. 

So far he has had a successful break and a good transfer window. If he gets Docherty and another striker over the line, and perhaps moves on some deadwood, then things will be interesting.

I remain hopeful.

[Did We Miss a Trick With Davie Moyes?]

1 minute ago, bilkobear said:

double post.

 

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[Did We Miss a Trick With Davie Moyes?]

26 minutes ago, KingKennyMiller said:

Erm..... Big Wob is Rob  Kiernan - not The Loaf. Sober up auld yin.... Lol!

You were telling anyone daft enough to listen that we had a real player on our hands who was growing into the role and getting " better and better "

Of course, the reality was somewhat different - Big Wob was an absolute bombscare.

I like Murty as a guy, but he's not and never will be good enough to be Manager of Rangers. 

If he proves me wrong then no one will be more pleased than me. Sadly, time will prove me correct.

To be fair as I have no pwobwem pronouncing my 'r' s, it threw me.

Yes, Big Rob was a letdown.

As a rookie centre back, he was a good footballer for a defender, how was I to know that he was going to be unable to learn pitch geography?

In the end he just didn't improve his positioning and reading of the game.

Rob had the physical attributes, the courage and determination as well as the football skills to make you think, wow a natural centre-half.

However, sadly,  he was like a blind man in the desert when it came to knowing where he was in a defensive situation.

How was I to know Big Wob was incapable of improvement?

Warburton and Weir didn't!

So I will give you that.

 

I still hope you are wrong about Murty.

He is a good and decent man, and good and decent things should happen to good and decent men.

That is my philosophy. 

[Did We Miss a Trick With Davie Moyes?]

15 minutes ago, KingKennyMiller said:

Thanks Bilko.

But I remember you waxing lyrical about Big Wob on another well known Rangers forum, telling us how he was getting " better and better "  He's no longer with us for a reason - he wasn't good enough. I told you that back then and I'm now telling you the same about GM.

Murty may well be a good youth team coach, but we all know he's only keeping the seat warm until a proper manager capable of managing a club of the magnitude of Rangers arrives.

Them's the facts.

 

Eh, I don't think I was standing alone waxing about Warburton, in fact in his first season.....who wasn't standing alongside me .....eh you excepted I suppose?

Warburton for a limited period gave us some wonderful experiences.

He truly was worth waxing lyrical about.

Then he became exposed and trapped in his own arrogance, and well....the rest is history.

 

Murty is a different prospect entirely, he has been shoehorned into the position and in management terms, is most certainly an unknown quantity, eh again....... you excepted I suppose?

Maybe he will surprise us, and I hope he does.

Your certainty that he won't, your unwavering confidence that in this you are right, reminds me of another person already mentioned, but I am sure you are way ahead of me already. 

[Did We Miss a Trick With Davie Moyes?]

17 minutes ago, KingKennyMiller said:

We are.

Murty's a lovely man, but never a Rangers manager in a million years.

Let him enjoy his 5 minutes in the sun, but, ultimately, he's a youth team coach and nowhere near ready to manage Rangers.

I really don't know if that is correct.

Perhaps he has the capacity to grow into the role.

Called upon to deliver under such demanding circumstances, is it a surprise that he will make misplaced steps as walks the walk?

There is much about the man that I like, there is much about the man that is worthy, and there is perhaps much about him we have yet to see, maybe even positive and strong elements of his own character that he himself is as yet unaware of.

I wasn't that excited about Walter taking over from Souness, and I wasn't alone, however, like the rest I was totally wrong, and how.

Perhaps you are wrong now, I certainly hope that you are.

[Ok... I thought this deserved its own thread... Club Rankings]

2 hours ago, bombaybadboy08 said:

Apparently we’re applying to join the Brazilian league now.

We could do worse.

The commentators and journalists would be positive towards us.

Although away support would struggle to make the games, they would get a positive friendly reception when they did.

Our club with its unparalleled long successful and colourful history entrenched in the very foundations of the world's most popular sport would be feted, adored, and most importantly of all respected for its historical relevance in the growth and success of football.

Further, for all of the crazy passions that envelope Brazillian football, and the sometimes outrageous and controversial incidents involving their referees, we at least would probably get a more unbiased and even-handed experience in our games.

If only eh? 

[Ok... I thought this deserved its own thread... Club Rankings]

12 hours ago, The Beast said:

Brazil is a huge country mind you, well over 200 Million. Most of those fans might be domestic.

Yes, I am sure most of their fans will live in Brazil, probably never leave their locality never mind the country ever, and don't actually possess a Corinthians shirt and probably again, never will.

However, I don't count my wife as a Rangers fan, yet she has been to games, has worn our shirt a few times, knows who the players are past and present and is usually aware of our results when the final whistle blows.

I still think these figures are probably overhyped inflated exaggerated nonsense.

[Alfredo Morelos]

29 minutes ago, gj923 said:

He is on a 3 year deal and has scored 10 goals in 20 league games which is not deserving of a bumper contract. I know we have had some crap forwards in the last few years but unless he finishes the season on 20-25 goals in the league including a few against them he is not deserving of a new contract.

If you are serious, then you tick the bit where other posters say, if you wait long enough in life, you eventually hear, see and read everything.

Oh and no disrespect, but the bit about smelling shyte seems reasonable as well, given the context of your comments. 

[Pedro back in management]

21 hours ago, JCDBigBear said:

Well obviously it is all about opinions.  Of Pedro signings those I do not rate are Dalcio, Nemane, Herrera, Cardoso.  I like Pena but we don't play to his strengths.  Morelos I very much like.  Dorrans as well.   The jury is still out on Jack for me.  I thought Alves started very well for us but either he has become injury prone or he can't take the pressure.  Candeias is growing on me.

I think Cardoso is a good footballer, but very raw as a centre back, which as we all know is a position where players can take until their mid to late twenties to properly find their feet...as it were.

The contrast with young Bates is interesting.

Here we have a player who belies his years in that his positional sense, and his overall defensive geography and his ability to do the ugly bits seems to come naturally, whilst he is the limited football player that Cardoso is not.

Alves is the finished article, he is exactly what our side needs, however, it isn't his nerve that isn't holding, it is his body.

Clearly, he has underlying injury problems, and his stop-start season and inability to hit top form is a consequence.

It happens.

 

Jack has been the victim of biased, unfair and generally shyte refereeing, his season has been ruined by it, and I also include the ridiculous tackle that injured him, which in being more or less ignored by the referee just about sums up the injustice that has defined his, and perhaps the club's season so far.

However, he has shown enough to get pass marks in a Rangers shirt.

 

I have waited to see Herrera get better, I am becoming convinced that this may be a long wait and I am in my sixties, I am not sure my patience will hold, I suspect a recall to Mexico would do all parties a favour, the player, our club and my patience.

Nemane was perhaps a young boy whose reputation far outstripped his development into manhood, he remains a young boy and shouldn't be in with men for quite some time.  

 

Morelos is a star in the making and a joy .....a real gold plated, silver lined, bejewelled joy.

No more needs said.

Dorrans is a player who if he can stay injury free, ...... a big ask for a Rangers player who is technically gifted in a league where there are no rules to protect them,...... will do a first-class job for the club, he has the qualities to make a very important impact in a Rangers squad chasing the title, this was a good solid and intelligent acquisition.

 

Candeias has possibly been the surprise package of all Pedro's signings.

On his day, a player who has a huge influence on proceedings, and when he fancies it, can inspire those around him with his persistence and determined approach, and his crossing can sometimes make the difference in the eventual result.

He can, however, have occasions when he goes missing, but certainly another satisfactory signing.

 

Pena was a player who I quite liked, I could see what he was about.

But all things considered, I think he has now found his best position for Rangers.

Back playing in Mexico.

 

Pedro actually did okay with his forays into the transfer market.

I wouldn't give him an A, but he certainly merits a B+.

 

As a support, we want it all, and we want it all now.

However, given the demanding journey, the club and support have been forced to endure, often it is sensible to understand that for every two steps forward there will nonetheless be one backwards, these are trying circumstances after all.

To put Pedro in perspective, he was indeed two steps forward and sadly also one back, but it is important that we focus on the one step we have taken forward.

The Scottish press can focus on the one back, and it is their default reaction to our club, meanwhile, the two steps forward and the progress made by us may well sneak below their and their fellow travellers' bigoted radar.

I actually like that. 

 

 

[Krancjar tonight]

18 hours ago, cushynumber said:

actually, i thought his passing tonight apart from one, was very poor. he passes now because he cant run with the ball, so his completion rate is dropping as he tries to make passes he really shouldn't be trying to make. I think we have to come to terms with the fact he is done, finished, Kaput and stop making lame excuses for him.

He was truly an excellent player when he was younger. Real class. Its gone now though and its worrying our manager cant see that.

There is the gif up there, where he makes the best pass of the entire game to Morelos.

There was also a cross I recall to the near post onto Herrera's head.

Watch it again, it was made in such a way that Kranjcar had already put the necessary speed and weight on the ball directing it into the net via a strikers head. 

All the striker had to do was read the pass's intent and it was a goal, Hererra fckd it up.

It was a thing of beauty as well.

 

I agree, he is very leggy, and he did try some very ambitious forward passes which didn't hit the mark.

But like most players short of game time, that is often how it is they are ring rusty until they get up to speed by playing matches.

 

He will never be the player he once was, he isn't quick, but that doesn't mean he is totally done.

It often depends if you can accommodate a player like this inside the team itself.

That said, I wouldn't start him against the Filth.

[Tackle on Jack]

4 hours ago, Wullies_bowly_legs said:

It doesn't matter if a player like Hurlock or Souness got sent off at the beginning as other teams knew after that not to try it or retribution would take place. Thats why having two enforcers is always best, just fantastic if one can pass like Souness though.

Fot those who saw JG play at a time when players were tough, they'll remember no-one took the piss or JG would take action. I remember Henderson running to JG for protection when an opposition player was going to give him a kicking. Think it was the Slavia Sofia semi-final in 67, but memory not too hot sometimes.

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It wouldn't have been Henderson.

I am sure Wee Willie was a decent boxer in his day, and I don't think Willie would run from anyone.

[Krancjar tonight]

I Thought he tried really hard tonight.

He was still off the pace, but actually better than I expected.

Perhaps he just needs game time.

He won't, of course, be the player he once was but getting more games might see him become useful to the team as he gets as match fit as he is now capable of becoming.

[Tackle on Jack]

1 minute ago, Malkytfp1 said:

It's more clumsy for me. Defo a yellow, and he shouldav got another yellow after that. Big durty Simon Phoenix.

He had his studs up, he didn't get the ball missing it by quite a distance, he was late, he left his foot in, and actually had two pops at damaging his opponent with his studs.

Compare this to Jack against Aberdeen, Jack gets the ball, his opponent is the one who is late, yet the contact after that fact is blamed on Jack.

Take this to a criminal law court evaluating an assault and see who gets found guilty of assault.

[Alves]

Just now, pcbear said:

I though he was decent as was Wilson.

Wilson had a really good game tonight.

I thought he looked better alongside Alves, but all the centre-backs look better alongside Alves.

[Alves]

Just now, WWTC said:

Hes by far the best we’ve got, but would you bet against him pickin up an injury before Saturday ?

I hope not.

I don't know the story behind the scenes of his injuries.

But it isn't impossible that they are genuine.

I haven't witnessed him on the park looking after his body to the detriment of the team, he always seems willing to put his body into dangerous places.

To be honest, I cannot say that for every player I have watched playing for us this season.

There will always be posters who will post vexatiously about every single individual at Ibrox, they will see the worst and seem anxious to throw harmful comments onto a forum whether they know them to be true or not.

[Alves]

Alves had a fine game tonight.

Very steady at the back and showed desire when necessary to win the football.

I can't see what all the fuss on here is about.

[Tackle on Jack]

2 minutes ago, kaiser1041 said:

You can’t compare every incident to a wrong decision.

it was reckless and the player is a scumbag but im not sure of his intent 

If he is reckless then isn't that enough?

Reckless/dangerous, where is the line drawn and what is the semantic difference.

The end result is a player taken out of the game and perhaps even career threatening.

[Tackle on Jack]

1 minute ago, kaiser1041 said:

Think it’s clumsy not deliberate should have been a yellow then he smashed Herrera after that and he should have walked 

So it wasn't dangerous, but Jack's against Aberdeen was?

Jack played the ball, his opponent was late and Jack got his jotters.

Today Jack plays the ball, his opponent was late and Jack was stretchered off, nothing to see here said the referee.

 

[Tackle on Jack]

Someone will have to explain to me, why that is not a red card, and Jack's against Aberdeen was.

After a lifetime playing and watching football, I have never been more fckn confused.

[Respectable scoreline (in the end) and an ever bigger 3 points]

Totally workmanlike, graft without inspiration.

But to be honest I would take that until the end of the season.

Motherwell were a disgrace and should never have finished with eleven men.

Now we have to lick our wounds breathe deeply and prepare to be warriors.

[David Murray]

3 hours ago, Rfc52 said:

That's some.scattergun that. SDM has caused a lot of heartache to Rangers fans in the last decade or so but he didn't cause morelos to head over an open goal or any of what happened yesterday.

He's not caused any of the mental block that seems to hit this side when they play at ibrox (1 home league win all season) yet win every away game bar thistle.

He's caused a lot but yesterday ain't his fault.

Like ally and his team previous aye boards can be awful, charlatans, allowing caretaker managers to stay a lot longer than anyone wants (McDowell and murty) but on the footballing field it is purely a players and managerial problem.

To me yesterday was GMs lack of tactical nous that cost him. When it went 1 0 he didn't really know what to do. He didn't particularly have a strong bench and we all roundabout me at the game said that the 1st 11 was basically the team that was to.get the 3 points and the bench was that bad he was hoping we'd already be a couple of goals up before needing it.

The board and or lack of.funds debate is a good debate to have but the last two managers have blown any budget they've had on absolute shit. It's their job to identify to the budget. They haven't and have failed us. The budget on offer here is still such that we should be able to ride on the taigs coattails. I genuinely believe that the money spent in the summer had it been done so by a competent manager would be enough to really give the taigs a problem  (others don't but I respect that)

All in all though SDM didn't cause yesterday and on here it seems to be everyone is in the firing line.

Said it in the match thread we were shite but had enough chances to win 3 or 4 games.

Great post mate.

So much truth in what you say.

I am not exactly onboard with the failure of Pedro's recruitment, and many of the incoming players are more than decent.

The positive evidence for the improvement in players is actually provided in your own post regarding our away form!

Three points at Ibrox has always traditionally been a given for Rangers teams, with the league winning Rangers sides being the ones who could also consistently do the business on the road.

So why is this team failing to perform in front of our insanely loyal sold out Ibrox crowds?

Yesterday was a game where an in-form Hamilton side parked the bus.

They offered nothing as a threat until we supplied a goal to them on the plate through an unfortunate error.

After that, our confidence began to drain, and visibly the players all shrunk in size and stature.

It is too simplistic just to say that the players and indeed the entire playing staff are shyte.

Just as It is also too simplistic to say that yesterday was a loss to a better football team.

We have a problem playing at Ibrox and I wonder if it isn't some fault of our home support and the inability for us to provide positive support when something goes wrong, or to show patience when things aren't going right.

The answer to this if it is true, won't just rest with the support, it may also need some real restructuring of where people are placed inside the stadium if it is to be properly fixed, and in that the Board may have to deal with a difficult issue.

[Regime change needed]

25 minutes ago, Blue Avenger said:

and a 41 count criminal is our ally? You obviously missed the latest accounts!

Well for a start he is at least someone who possesses a Rangers scarf.