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9 minutes ago, Willis said:
How many UBs have been charged and or banned under the OBAF act?
Impossible to give an exact number because that spans over many years involving a lot of different people and we don't keep a running counter. But having an educated guess I would say atleast 30/40 people involved with the UB have been charged. Not quite sure the relevance.
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15 minutes ago, Willis said:
I've been searched numerous times going into ibrox and a few times they've found a bottle and confiscated it, twice they've found a half bottle of wine and should have probably ejected me but because I didn't act like a wee fanny and start arguing and just said "fair enough" when they took it they gave me no hassle at all. The UBs draw attention to themselves and then play the victim when they get the attention they're obviously crying out for.
And they seem to think they have the right to stop police from arresting someone. And they also seem to think they are the only Rangers fans hassled by polis. They're living in a fantasy land where everyone out to get them.
I honestly don't think the UB are alone in the support for not letting fellow fans get arrested, but you've a lot assumptions towards what the UB think mate. When it happens the group complain about the actions of the police in terms of their behaviour toward football fans in general, because although we are a "group" we are still just football supporters like anyone else in the stand.
We don't think we are the only football fans hassled by the police which is the reason why we do our best to bring attention to poor police behaviour wherever it happens. We are used to having police attention and dealing with it, in that sense we are fortunate when compared with another fan on his own who may not be so used to it; which isn't a nice thought. Any issue with police behaviour highlighted by the group are issues that are affecting the full support - which is why we are highlighting them. The Offensive Behaviour at Football Act is a perfect example.
Because of this it is true that the group obviously faces extra focus from the police. It's pretty undeniable that the group faces regular attention at football from Football Intelligence and FoCUS (Football Coordination Unit for Scotland).
I think football fans suffer from draconian laws and at times strict over policing which ruins a lot of what is good about football games. But not in a fantasy world where the above only applies to the UB.
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44 minutes ago, Rangersfansmediawatch said:
Do you remember the Annan game at Ibrox midweek ? The one were they all complained about police brutality,kids getting assaulted and thrown aside and cops hitting everyone with batons,The same incident they all claimed they had video evidence and were speaking to solicitors and the club and were going to post it on all the Rangers forums to show what they have to put up with... Funny thing is that nothing was ever posted to back up what they claimed.
Do you remember the guy with the bottle of water ? Started off as a simple request from a steward as you aren't allowed them inside the stadium, Was told he could collect it after the match and refused,Cops then got involved along with more stewards and then started jumping over seats to avoid ejection/arrest and then his buddies got involved surrounding the stewards and cops and all kicked off,All over a bottle of water.
You also say your group is in no serious threat of being closed, I know that some of them have had meetings with club officials in regards to some of the behaviour and been rapped on the knuckles and warned about future conduct inside the confines of the stadium, No doubt you'll deny this ever happened which is fine.
This is what I mean, you spoke as if it was a problem today and you bring up Annan at Ibrox in 2012
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From your posts I really don't think you know much at all about the ways in which Rangers liaise with the group and what it inolves, which is great but just strange to pretend you have knowledge on it and that BF1 'faces threat of closure'. What makes that funny is that is honestly so far from the truth so probably should just leave this at that.
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3 hours ago, Rangersfansmediawatch said:
They have already been asked to stop several times and the club have also had complaints from local residents about them being stuck on peoples cars,shop windows and lamposts, The council also threatened at one point to bill the club for the removal of them such was the problem and the amount of complaints about them from locals, Pretty sure this was when the club told them to stop sticking them everywhere.
They obviously ignored the clubs wishes.
There are also problems with people who the stewards or cops try to eject/arrest from the ground and the cops/stewards are being hampered by others trying to stop this by surrounding or getting in the way to prevent this,The Ibrox security team,cops and stewards are getting quite frustrated with this and if it continues then the club might get to the point where they take drastic action to sort it and close this section down,That's how bad it is.
The council could never bill Rangers for people sticking stickers on streets just because the stickers are Rangers related, anyone with a brain knows that is bullshit.
That is just more bullshit again. BF1 is in no serious danger of closing, thanks. Saturday was the first incident I can remember happening for years but you're speaking like it's a regular thing. Do you work for Rangers
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1 hour ago, cumnockbear said:
Shite songs, Shite drum,Shite stickers, always barnyin way the screws and stewards and think they run the place.
Leave the good songs to the grown ups, Ibrox was rocking long before yous and will be long after you're gone.
Rational.
We support the same team, we sing the same songs.
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1 minute ago, Willis said:
There's 11 pages of folk telling us how shite the atmosphere is at Ibrox and how were shite compared to European fans etc. I never said they bashed me personally but their cronies are certainly bashing the fanbase in this thread.
This will be locked soon enough anyway like every other thread that turns into a daft argument just because the UBs cannot take criticism without going in a huff
I'm the only member of the UB in this thread and I'm not in a huff, all of my replies have only discussed the issues and misconceptions other people have brought up and I've tried to answer them to help clear it up. Please stop acting like anyone else is spitting the dummy out.
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16 minutes ago, Willis said:
90% of his posts on this issue are complete contractions.
The atmospheres shite
The UBs create a great atmosphere
Were behind most clubs in terms of atmosphere
Most other clubs have shite atmospheres
They love to bash the rest of the support, I've been in plenty decent atmospheres in the past couple years and its had nothing to do with UBs but were led to believe that you'd hear a pin drop if they were gone.
They've been there for ten years how long do they plan on taking to "bring back the atmosphere"
The fact they've got to bash the rest of the support and say were shite to make themselves look good says it all
Nobody from the UB has bashed you or the rest of the support, so I'm not sure why you are saying that because that isn't a fact at all.
The UB don't need to bash anyone to make the group feel better, we're happy enough knowing ourselves that we do the best we are capable of. All I've done is responded to all the clear misconceptions about the UB's song choice, megaphone, speaker and views towards the atmosphere in the ground. I'm more than happy to have rationale conversations about the group and all of those things.
I also don't believe PRW is contradicting himself. He said the atmosphere is shite in terms of the whole of Ibrox, because it is even with our best efforts. He seems to think the UB create an atmosphere as well but that is restricted to that part of the ground. Not really a contradiction at all and not a great deal the group can do but try to encourage the rest of the stadium to join in.
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10 minutes ago, Three stripes said:
Ah just don't get why they think it does anything but sound shite.
The drum is used to keep the section in time and going at the same speed because it's very common for people to end up singing at different times and that becomes a rabble. So to help that we use the drum and it works, nothing to do with sound really.
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1 hour ago, Willis said:
I have to say I can't stand the megaphone. Since when is a megaphone needed to get a crowd singing? They've just seen videos of better ultras using them and copied, everything about the whole ultras culture is just copied and there's nothing unique about it at all.
We have a fantastic fan culture and history I see no need in just copycating European teams because it's cool to do so
And I dislike when the megaphone guys giving it "stand up and fuckin sing!" Etc like he thinks he's the bloody ticket or something. I don't like shite atmospheres either but everyone's payed to get in and it's upto them if they want to sing or not, not some uber hero with a megaphone
I like the displays and most of the songs but I don't see why they need this whole plastic generic ultras nonsense as we've been a proud and famous fan base who have had stadiums across Europe bouncing long long before the whole poofy ultras culture came about
It's pretty simple really, a megaphone is used so the back of the section sings the same song as the front of the section and two songs don't start at once creating a rabble, which is what would happen in one section.
Aye, the megaphone is used to encourage people to sing cause they're fucking sitting in the SINGING SECTION
It's so simple. If your in the section and not into then that's perfectly cool, probably shouldn't have chose to sit in the designated singing section though and probably should think about relocating, cause BF1 is anything but a good view.
For all the other posts about the drum, it is used to keep the section in time, it's completely common for songs to completely run away with people singing at different times. Not really what we would be after if we can help it so we use a drum and it works. Never heard so much pish in my life that a drum can ruin a football song.
If songs at the football started organically and were like they were 30 years ago everyone in the UB would be buzzing about that. The group would love nothing more than for the Copland to be like a Kop that actually sings and for the rest of Ibrox to join in with all of the rangers and loyalist songs. We're dealing with the reality now though, and the atmosphere was long gone before the group was created. So currently we have a section of 500 that does its best to create as best an atmosphere it possibly can on a regular matchday. Of course songs start from other parts of the stadium on bigger games, nothing new to football and exclusive to Rangers, certainly no stain on us as a group either.
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16 minutes ago, BridgeIsBlue said:
Nobody sings the "ultra" songs in Ibrox apart from a few weans here and there.
My point is Rangers Easy OK is a old song and not a so called "ultra" song
. Nobody sings any type of song at ibrox on a regular match day, apart from maybe twice a game, that's the point and the problem. Unfortunately there's no one type of song that would get Ibrox singing, it literally doesn't exist. If it was as easy as the forum posts make out BF1 would be more than happy to sing songs that the rest of Ibrox participate in, but unfortunately there are no specific songs that the full of Ibrox would join in with on a regular matchday, that's the reality we're faced with.
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47 minutes ago, Bluenose-11 said:
Class banner yesterday.
Thats where the praise stops for me, find them annoying, 75% of the songs are these pishy new ones, the ultra thing is very cringey. Also surely can't be the only one that hates this "owayowayowayowayowayowaaa ohhhh Glasgow rangers" pish, the tarriers have sung that about themselves for years, sort yourselfs oot ffs
Banging your head against a wall at this point but that's just simply not true in the slightest. There is no "traditional" rangers songs we don't sing and very, very few loyalist songs we don't sing (given the cameras and police attention is entirely focused on us).
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20 minutes ago, BridgeIsBlue said:
Genuine request here.
Please stop the awayawayawaowoawa and the Rangers easy OK nonsense.
It's ambrassing.
Irony of the songbook debate summed up that you are complaining about two completely different types of songs. You have a personal preference, so again that's why the songbook is mixed cause there is no one specific type that would create an atmosphere outside BF1 on an average matchday.
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For the record there is no "traditional" Rangers songs that we don't sing, we literally sing it all. It's completely untrue and I'd love to hear of the Rangers songs we don't sing that the full of Ibrox would join in with. In my honest opinion it's nothing more than a cliche post now on these threads to say that BF1 doesn't sing "traditional" Rangers songs and doesn't sing loyalist songs - if it was as simple as only singing loyalist songs to get an atmosphere in Ibrox we would sing them for the full 90 minutes every week. Our songbook is mixed because the truth is there is no specific songbook that will suddenly get the rest of Ibrox joining in, its just pretending or out of touch with the reality to say that there is.
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19 hours ago, sammy cox said:
So when Rangers teams under Smith and Advocatt went in down a goal at half time they were booed? Or were these same teams booed when they lost a game as they did ? No I don't think so.
What? They certainly were. Even more so given the talent they had at their disposal.
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Don't see the problem, they got boo'd off and cheered back on for the second half, its hardly personal, its to let them know that level of performance is unacceptable when we are supposed to be in a title race with Celtic. That first half performance was fucking woeful and miles and miles off the pace. Its nothing to do with getting beat 1-0, football is football and defeats happen, its the fact that their level of performance was nowhere near good enough - the players are much better than what they were showing in that game. New team is nothing more than a poor excuse when 9 of the 11 players were in our team last year. Celtic beat this mob 5-0, we didn't even create a shot on target in the first half - infact the only real chance we got was the one they gifted us.
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15 minutes ago, Prso's headband said:
extremely poor today again. Anonomous after 70 mins when we need it
What? Apart from when he got himself through on goal twice, and nearly made it 3 on one of those occassions? The whole team was annonymous after 70 minutes pretty much, but you've picked on the two players who created the most chances during the game haha.
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Wallace made a lot more dangerous chances going forward than Tavernier did today, thought Tavernier was pretty sloppy with the ball.
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Fuck sake haha, he was fine today. Better than Wilson anyway who looks like he could literally lose the ball at any given moment.
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Plenty of chance in the midfield at the moment I would say, we're not settled so its up for grabs. With the way the defence is though there is a chance he can do a job there too of course.
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Cheers to all who assisted us in this, turned out well, just a shame about the result. For those interested in the 'back by unpopular demand' t-shirts which sold out from 160 in 10 minutes, pre-order information should be on our Facebook soon, along with details of future sales on match-days.
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33 minutes ago, Fred H Crawford said:
Going to the Somme parade before the game mate , will there be any t-shirts on sale before kick off ? My son would like one , I think they look smart as well . Good luck with the march and display .
Nice one. They will be on sale from outside the belrock at 10.30-11.30 on Saturday. Any left over will be sold at the stall the following home game, and if they sell-out whilst a demand remains high it's quite possible we will re-order more for the stall in the future. Cheers mate, appreciated.
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Just now, siddiqi_drinker said:
Don't like it, fuck off
Chill out mate fs, haha.
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26 minutes ago, siddiqi_drinker said:
Will there be Pokémon on the route/march?
Patter.
Recycled patter from this thread at that, the worst kind.
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Bump for this. Spread the word and come along if you can make this. Leaving at 11.30 on Cornwall street next to the Bellrock Bar, just of PRW.
Our 'back by unpopular demand' t-shirts will also be available from 10.30-11.30 at this meeting point for just £5.
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extremely poor today again. Anonomous after 70 mins when we need it
UB incident?
in Jimmy Bell's Kitroom
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Awk this victim patter is boring now.
Literally replied in detail to you personally about how your assumptions on the views of the UB are wrong, where you could've replied and spoke about it rationally. Instead you randomly asked how many UB have been charged under the OBFA and carried on saying the same shit.
So ignore it if you wish and keep making stupid assumptions instead of having a rational conversation.