Paisleybear1872

No abuse just missing the point. Displays are for the team and nobody else. Tv is completely irrelevant.

Literally the most annoying thing to see in a debate over something is for someone to misrepresent the other persons argument to try and make their own sound better. At least engage with what is actually being said instead of inflating and exaggerating the points into something that wasn't said, doesn't look good. PRW isn't saying "we have never had any atmosphere at all", that would be daft. It really doesn't need addressing how many games we have had a great atmosphere at, it's undeniable and obvious. A good team helps atmosphere, obviously yes but having a good team doesn't equal a good atmosphere, that is clear at some of the best teams in the world right now, especially in England, absolute morgues. There are things you can do to help the atmosphere which benefits the fans, the team and the club.

Being not in favour of safe standing is fine but this logic makes zero sense - 'The atmosphere wasn't great today so it will never be any better than that'. To add, nobody ever said that games against Hamilton will be a "cauldron of noise" or have the full stadium bouncing like you are insinuating - and that's not the argument being made for safe standing. Will the atmosphere be much better? Most definitely. Will it be more enjoyable? Most definitely. It's simple maths, a section of a couple thousand in a prominent position is louder and has better chance of spreading during spells, than a section of 500 in the worst corner of the ground. So you are replying to a point that isn't being made.

List problem sorted with @BEE Hadn't got to the very bottom of who put the name forward, wasn't from social media but either way wasn't their convenor so problem is still on our end imo. Happy to say that the bus has now officially decided to support safe standing though

What's your RSC mate and I'll send it to be added to the next list if you's haven't already done so. Glad to see the support!

You're right about that, there's plenty RSC's that have been left out for that reason though so calm your jets. What's your RSC and I'll sort out where it came from and have it took off if necessary. Pm if you don't want to post it publically or that, just whatever suits.

Began with e-mails and messages directly and then spread with people contacting us to add their support. Feel like you have a problem...

Was released on our Facebook and twitter. List of RSC's in support now much, much larger.

What I've posted is what I personally believe to be the fairest way. I believe people choosing to move out should be given first choice on availability at no extra cost to their season ticket. As you can see from my post it's not from taking a lead role that I believe we came into it, it's from being the section that has stood for years and holds the people currently most keen to stand and sing at Ibrox, and a section that is allowed to happen at grounds through leniency. It's really common sense to seek to move those same people into a 'safe' standing section. Obviously those in the area should be given the choice to stay or move IMO and then thereafter as I previously listed.

Thanks, I take it back about the list of demands. The way it worked with Celtic and the way BF1 currently works is there is a fairly negotiated allocation given by the club and the way would happen on for this would again be on the basis of availability from people who don't move ( I strongly believe). The group's allocation would be together and it would be selectively chosen, from the front (honestly the worst view so I don't see how it would be a problem). I don't imagine an arrangement based upon growth, anyone who has any interest if ever being involved with the UB/atmosphere on a matchday will be looking to move if this eventually happens. I personally don't see a problem in that, it isn't really unreasonable.

It's harder to hit the pitch from the BF1 than other sections never mind it being physically impossible to hit the goals where the problem was coming from with the keeper taking the goal kick. I'd honestly give you 100 quid if you could hit the goalpost with a bit of scrunched up A5 paper (paper aeroplanes don't count). Just bizarre to blame the group for that

Bastard, thought we already were allowed Joke for anyone feeling a bit serious.

You've not which is why you keep avoiding saying what the demands we would start making after safe standing are. You also began by claiming this is about making the UB feel more important about themselves. The UB was created to add colour and atmosphere to Rangers games home and away, the benefit of creating a better atmosphere is the benefit of Ibrox - the ultimate reason for our existence. The order I personally believe it will go in is season ticket holders in that area will be told what is happening and be given the choice of staying or moving. Following that the club will give the group a fairly negotiated amount of the allocation that is left (don't worry the amount we get will be less than the amount that is left). The seats left will then be given to those who register an interest. I personally believe that is the fairest way and it's pretty much the exact same situation as Celtic. To add this is all completely hypothetical, it may not be the CF although that seems the most popular choice and common example. We as Rangers fans have made massive strides in the past week but there is still a long way to go.

You've not said any demands anywhere we would make, just that we would "start getting all arses with demands." Shouldn't be too hard to give a quick list of the demands you imagine? struggling to imagine them myself which is why I'm so confused. If you think Rangers are going to exclude the only section in Ibrox that has been standing at games for years and years - when you aren't actually allowed technically - from a newly built safe standing section then you are completely off your head to be honest. Ofcourse all fans are equal but BF1 is the accepted standing section of Ibrox where those who are the most keen to stand and sing are. To exclude them from a newly built standing section for that very purpose, when the current arrangement shouldn't technically be allowed, defies all common sense.

What kind of demands do you think we would make like?

I don't expect us to get preferential treatment over anything but I'm sorry when it comes to this - we are the only section that stands in Ibrox and it would be absolutely bizarre for us not to be in the standing section. That said, say for example it's CF which is the common example used, there would be more than enough space for the demand.

I would be literally shocked if it was put in the enclosures, I really, extremely doubt that's where it will go for so many reasons. For what you mention about stadium redevelopment there will never ever be that many safe standing sections at Ibrox if I'm reading what you are proposing correctly, not even that many in Germany either where the sections are more popular. Although I do support replacing the screens with a seating area but that would cost 10x the amount of safe standing and would be far too many years down the line. In the grand scheme of things it's not a lot of money and if you set a date in the future of say next season or the season after, the money over the period of time would be even smaller in comparison to the size of budget over that period. I am sorry to hear about the conditions you have to face for taking your son to the toilet, so it's completely understandable why you are passionate about this. I can say that at any meetings the UB have had with Rangers they have brought up how awful the disabled facilities are at Ibrox and the serious need to change them, so I really do hope that happens.

Yeah it definitely won't be exclusive and wouldn't worry about that. Not everyone in the standing section at Celtic is particularly interested in the GB, it's perfectly normal and ok for folk who just enjoy standing at football games.

Hold on and I'll ask him is it true that mchammer said you don't actually like us. Like PRW said, he doesn't even stand there. There's more than just David Martin who is head of security and I wouldn't believe that to be true because it doesn't reflect any dealings we have had at all.

It's not one or the other and it just makes you look ridiculous playing them off against each other.

It won't be in the enclosure's. It's fine if you are happy with Ibrox at the moment but a seriously large amount of people aren't because it's fucking awful at the moment. A lot of money will be spent on improving Ibrox in different ways, regardless of safe standing. Dave King has explicitly said so as our facilities has been left to rot for years and improvements to Ibrox will continue to go on. This is part of that and is not a waste of money. There isn't one person who supports safe standing that doesn't want a lot of money spent on the playing squad, but it's foolish to think that you can only spend money on the playing squad as money is being spent on Ibrox regardless, so that isn't happening.

Flares have never been set off on a matchday inside Ibrox by UB or Rangers fans, the only time I've ever seen it is Ibrox title celebrations when we've won the league away from home. To be clear we aren't claiming we are going to get 50,000 singing against Hamilton on a average league game, but a couple thousand capacity safe-standing section in a more prominent area will create a greater atmosphere, that is more likely to spread, than 500 in the worst corner of the stadium. Will the UB proposal have sufficient numbers of fans willing to pay for season tickets to the value of those being displaced? It has always been a proposal that we have suggested and have always been aware safe-standing season tickets are going to cost more. I think there is definitely an appetite and believe that is being shown at the moment. Exactly how many are the UB talking about? Can't put an exact number on it because each location of Ibrox changes the number, for example you can't have CF1,2,3 safe standing and the rest normal seats because the safe standing section will block the view of the other sections for that side of the pitch. We do believe it has to be on a big scale so it is done properly and actually has the potential to change the matchday atmosphere for fans. There wouldn't be much point in another section of 500 because there is more appetite than that and us ourselves have more than outgrown our current section of 500. Celtic have roughly 3,000 I believe, it needs to be on that scale as well. Where do those displacd fans get relocated? Fans should first of all have the option to stay if they wish. After that, in my opinion they should be given first option on the available seats to move into. If the club has cut off communication then the UB should use the SLO and Club 1872 to open some form of dialogue? We have explored all avenues and everyone is receptive but we really need to be moving forward at a better rate. Club 1872 can only act upon the wishes of its members and have to poll a proposal before they can act on it and/or potentially lobby Rangers on it. Maybe with the current interest they will decide to do poll their members. If Club 1872 were able to do that, as the second largest shareholder I believe that would be extremely beneficial, but at the moment I personally believe they can't do too much we can't already do ourselves, which still leaves the current frustration. There isn't thousands of UB members and I honestly don't recall serious proposals to expand the Broomloan section. I don't believe for a minute any of the head of security said the things you have said he did about the UB at Ibrox and that is based on their actions.

Wouldn't want to be quoted on it but from what I remember a couple hundred thousand to the 500k range. It really depends on where they would put it and the size to be honest, there are quite fine details to it, for example, the stand needs to be made to a specific gradient where safe standing is.

We have points of contact with the club that we can go through more directly than e-mails. Our frustrations are more to do with raising this issue with the club for years in meetings and then having our most promising meeting with the right personnel at the club, to then not being up-dated properly and feeling a bit 'palmed off' with the follow-up meeting never happening; leaving us having no real answer to what is developing so we would know where we currently stand and wondering if we are potentially being kept sweet. So in our eyes we had no alternative but to go down a different route to campaign for support and demonstrate the desire for change at Ibrox because the issue is much bigger than just the UB. I still personally believe we will have safe standing in the near future, it will just take more hard work is all.

None. Following promising discussions earlier this year at a meeting a provisional follow-up meeting was agreed that never materialised.