I don't agree with that statement, whatsoever. You seem to have trouble accepting that others have a different viewpoint to you? No trouble at all. So, can I ask why you don't agree with it? The fans are the club, and their views are a part of who we are. You can't just dismiss something as unimportant, purely because you don't agree with it. I heard about this thread, popped in to have a look, and, hilarious! Seems to be some newer people as well as the obvious ones who like to go on rants whenever someone makes a post like this! Although, I see that now they go as far as to call Minstral a bheast?? That seriously may be the most amusing thing I have ever read on here! caseyjones, Your post here, that I am replying to, is, quite simply... how it is! Great words. Unfortunately, thats EXACTLY what "some" poeple do. It seems their sole aim in life is to make others who dont agree with their point of view, to feel wrong, and, try to force them to become outcasts in their own circles. Tragic really. I wonder if these people think the founders, and, the likes of Mr Struth are also "wrong"? And would they insult both their memories, and, would they TELL them they were wrong? I believe the Queen is also the head of this religion in this country, perhaps, since its SO important to them, they should write to Buckingham Pallace, or perhaps go down there and protest about how wrong it is, and, how it has no place in modern society. Outlaw they can call me a beast if the like, but the one thing i can do is look in the mirror every day and know that i have sold our fans down the river. The thing is that they cant as they are willing to betray everything that generations of bears helped build, just to appease our enemies who hate us. Why have you sold the fans down the river?