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Ticketus deal done through Rangers Group FC, this company will liquidate. Ticketus get nante, Win win for us.

http://www.vanguardbears.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=207%3Avanguardbears-statement VanguardBears statement PDF Print E-mail Written by Steadfast Friday, 09 March 2012 12:50 VanguardBears today issues the following statement. VanguardBears acknowledge that we were probably the last Rangers group to refuse to completely condemn Craig Whyte. A campaign of vilification, almost from the start of his tenure, from the press, the ex board and, sadly, other Rangers groups towards Mr Whyte was later accompanied by an attempt to smear the good name of VanguardBears by individuals with an agenda and ulterior motives simply because we maintained our stance of "innocent until proven guilty." Then, and now, we refused to join the bandwagon of hysteria and supposition. Mr Whyte has not been found guilty of any criminal offence, nor is it certain he will be. No one, not even those screaming from the rooftops, knows if he ever will be. What is clear is that his position as Chairman certainly now looks untenable. HMRC rejected settlement offers where, previously with other companies, they made compromises. Today, if newspaper reports are to be believed, they will now accept a settlement. Had that decision been made earlier when, we are told several offers were put to them, we need not have had the circus that ensued. As recently as yesterday, conflicting stories about the state of the Club, our finances, and our future circulated and contradicted each last report. Sir David Murray, whose policies created the mess we are in, Mr. Johnston, Mr. Murray, Mr. Bain, Mr. King et al make or have made statements or decisions which are counter productive and detrimental. Sir David, who until very recently remained silent despite being the originator of our problems, especially should use his private wealth to help if he has an ounce of decency. Influential fans cried "unity" but their interests were self seeking. The Administrators have, in our opinion, taken too long to do their job, and their exorbitant fees have added to the clubs problems. The written press and other media outlets have relished their work of recent weeks, of that there is no doubt. There has been a concerted campaign, led by certain individuals, to "do down" the club at every turn. Other clubs have lowered themselves beneath dignity with their comments and demands of excessive and precedent breaking penalties. We have, though, come to expect that sort of behaviour from Rangers haters such as Celtic and Dundee United. We urge Rangers fans to consider whether our money should fill the coffers of clubs who need our away support but treat us like dirt. Let us also mention the SFA. The conduct of Messrs. Regan, Doncaster and Liewell (in his neutral guise) has been over critical and less than supportive of a senior member club throughout. Livingston, Gretna and Dundee got support, advice and, in one case, finance to pay players from the SPL and SFL. Lastly, Mr Whyte, who has maintained the same rhetoric and statements from the beginning, may yet emerge from this as the most hated man in Rangers history (should all the accusations be proved correct) or the most loved (should he be proved an astute businessman who saved the Club from a mountain of debt that it could not pay, by using whatever means were available to him - no matter how close to the wind he sailed and no matter how many rules he bent). VanguardBears will say we were angered by the sale of the shares in Arsenal FC. Certain items are beyond monetary value. VanguardBears is sick to the back teeth of spin, counter spin, lies, innuendo, posturing to the fans and basically just taking every Rangers fan for a mug. For the sake of the Rangers fans, men, women and kids, we demand this circus stop, decisions, however painful, be made and the Club be allowed to regroup, reshape and retake its rightful place in Scottish football. Admin. Last Updated on Friday, 09 March 2012 17:01

Rangers Group(Wavetower) gets liquidated - bye bye ticketus and PAYE Rangers sold, CVA entered, hmrc sorted, club name/history safe Craig Whyte leaves, everybodies happy Job done.

He can stay as owner, just not as a director.

Bartley is still in Glasgow FACT

Noone will buy us whilst the 'big tax case' is unresolved.

Would our name still be Rangers? In some guise Yes Would we still play at Ibrox? Yes Would our players still train at Auchenhowie? Yes Will we still be the most succesful club in the world? Yes Will we still be hated by all? Yes Would we still be part of Scottish Football? Hope not Should we go into liquidation. No Hope that helps

What people? What missing cash?

This ^^^

Where has all this talk of liquidation come from? Have I missed something today?

Dunfermline owe £10.67m of which £1m is due to creditors this year alone. The other £9m odd is owed to companies within the boardroom and doesn't require paying so quickly. To say our £80k has put them in trouble is a nonsense, yes admittedly it doesn't help their situation. This is a prime example of how life in the SPL will be without Rangers. All those clubs who think otherwise be careful what you wish for. Add to this reduced TV monies if we aren't in that league and things would be pretty miserable for more than a few clubs.

Rangers don't owe Ticketus money. CW does.

Guys like you won't have a club to support if you have it your way.

Did you expect him to be a Roman Abramovich? Going by what I've saw on alot of posts thats exactly what people think. Would Abramovich have bought Rangers knowing there was a potential £49m hole in which he'd have to throw money into and get absolutely nothing in return? Very much doubt it. Yes this is tough and everyone is scared of the uncertainty and looking for scapegoats and someone to blame. But at least hang on until all the facts are known, not snippets fed by the media.

What matters most to me is the survival of our club. I couldn't give a rat's arse what other companies have to suffer for it. All this 'dignity', 'Rangers Way' nonsense is stuff of the past, if it takes a crook to get us out of it then so be it. After all we had a crook running us for twenty years and noone gave a stuff.

Yes, why wouldn't it be. We are in adminstration, many blame CW, we were heading that way anyway. If CW is 'hiding' monies and not paying bills because he knew we were heading that way then it doesn't make sense to have heaps of cash lying in a bank account. That money would be swallowed up by the adminstrators and disappear anyway. Do people honestly believe that any monies lying around could've saved us from this position? Cause if they do they are very much deluded. We were screwed before CW took us over hence why virtually no due diligence was done on CW by SDM, Lloyds, Ticketus and anyone else in this fiasco. As far as I can see CW has done nothing other than place us in administration which we were heading for anyway. So I think I'll hang fire on him until it has been proven he has done anything illegal and the administrators have done their job. Where was all this outrage when SDM was running out club into the ground?

To what end? There isn't enough to pull us out of administration.

Just a thought here, but if that money was in Rangers bank accounts just now, what do you think would happen with it?

The minutes were wrote up, sent to CW for approval before VB published them. CW apologised for the length of time it took for him to read and approve them as you will understand he is a busy man. It would've been uncourteous to have published minutes without going through this process. Did The Sun venture into new marketing strategies for Rangers? Did The Sun question Rangers employees loyalties and morals? Did The Sun speak about unifying the various Rangers groups on and offline? Did The Sun address an internet blogger whos sole intention is to cause trouble for Rangers? Did The Sun ask about litigation towards The BBC being more forthcoming? Oh and you can sing TBB if you want, but that's at your own discretion and whatever happens is in your hands noone elses.

What makes you think the previous board 'would have things done on time.'? It was them that got us into this mess.

Or the bheasts have tried to tango us and ended up looking stupid. Didn't Phil 3 Names break this story?

We're doomed

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