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  1. He isn't a winger, in fact, for a player who does play out wide, he's about as far away from being an effective winger as you can get. Unfortunately he was sold to the fans as a type of winger and someone who can get peoples bums off seats.

    I've seen him play countless times and Ortiz will never be that type of player. He hasn't the pace required to be that, nor does he have much of a trick or the ability to beat a man on a regular basis. What Ortiz will give you is effort; he'll run all game and is a worker. He also has a good touch and a real eye for a neat pass. He also offers drive from the midfield; he is not though, going to give you this on the right wing. The way he was described to the fans hasn't helped him though, that coupled to the fact he was quite obviously brought to play for us a right winger, I just don't understand the purchase if that was / is the case. He's far more effective in the centre and should be given a go, however, that is the area of the pitch where we have more available players than probably any other position and it isn't as if he's going to drop Davis from that CM right hand berth. He is also more effective as a RB, playing there he offers a real drive forward and quite some skill for a right back. He's hardly going to dislodge SW either though, especially with the level of his new contract.

    All that said, I'm sure he could be a decent player for us, just not in the position which he has apparently been brought in to play. A position neither fits his attributes, nor which he really ever played for Almeria.

  2. Mcleish can go and sign some no mark from the Championship for 7m or 8m and bench him instead. When he is playing and is on form, we play a far superior brand of football.

    I'd say when he is out the team we miss him more than any other player, save Jela, which is mainly because we have nae strikers. Certainly none to the standard of Jela.

  3. I have, but this is so fun, after your 4-0, 5-0 predictions, and how scary we are of you hahahahahaha where is your god now bitches :D

    Your team has managed to scrape through, beating a team clearly superior to yours, who happened to not turn up tonight until the last 20 minutes and handed you at least two ridiculously soft goals over two legs. The thing you should be more concerned about, as you obviously know you are a poor to average team, is that in the group stages you will be playing teams who shall play probably 4-5 times better than we played tonight. I hope you are looking forward to group stage obscurity and a couple of humpings along the way.

  4. I've watched Ortiz for years and yes it may have taken Hatley time to settle, the difference being there was always a genuine top class quality footballer there. If anyone is waiting for Ortiz to comparatively improve as much as big Mark did, they will be sorely disappointed.

    I cannot for a long time remember us being as poor going down the right. Ortiz and Broadfoot trying to go forward and create were like watching a train crash.

  5. Unless I'm missing something, I can't see it mentioning anywhere that he is even left footed / plays on the left, which is what this point was started around. They seem to list him as a winger. Any time I have seen him play, he hasn't been doing a lot of wing play / beating men out wide and delivering balls into the box. Have you ever seen him play as a winger?

    Ortiz was billed as a winger, having watched him play for Almeria numerous times, he was anything but. As has been demonstrated, he's a CM who can be used at RM but ain't no winger.

  6. As others have mentioned, Wylde is the only actual winger we have at the club, on either flank. I've seen two or three people put Bedoya on the left wing; he is a central midfielder who can play RM or wide right at a push. He is certainly no where near being a left winger. We are so desperate to find a player who can play there, even half comfortably, we are suggesting and playing players who aren't remotely suited or capable of playing there, such as Ortiz.

    Also, it is fine playing someone like McKay out wide when we have a midfield like Davis and Naismith. Attacking and fast moving with plenty being created down the middle. If, however, we have God forbid a pairing of Jig and Edu in the center, given Ally's penchant for playing them when fit not unrealistic, then we struggle to create much at all through the middle. In that case someone like McKay can become isolated and, or drift inside giving little to no width, meaning a hard slog down the middle and nothing coming from out wide as we don't have the personnel to play wingers. It’s one of the main reasons I'm so glad to see Wylde has signed a new deal. He might be raw at the moment, he does though give us far more options if Super will insist in automatically playing certain players when fit and switching better players from there more natural positions to accommodate the like of Edu and McCullock.

  7. It was so refreshing against Motherwell to feel confident that we weren't only ever a potential minute away from seeing some horrendous cock-up at RB. JM is young and will no doubt make mistakes himself if given a run in the team, however, I honestly felt that it just wasn't going to happen on Sunday, he looked so assured. You also got the sense he actually did know something about positioning when defending.

    Against any team we play who have even a half decent left sided forward / winger, he gets caught out of position on an alarming amount of times and their player gets past him with monotonous regularity. I was delighted to get most of the other high earners signed up but nearly fell off my perch when I heard the deal we had given him. Playing staff wise, it is easily the most baffling move by the new regime.

  8. I agree with both your points. I do, however, think that while he might have been a more all rounded player by the time he reached Arsenal, he wasn't as quick or influential. I remember him in the days playing in LVG's crazy kind of attacking 4-3-3 and after that I only ever saw glimpses of the same player. His finishing and goal scoring was never as good either. I actually enjoyed him watching him playing for Arsenal and I think it a shame he didn't get more game time. He, for me, just never replicated the form which made him an entergral part of one of the best teams I have ever seen.

  9. I was making the point that after winning the CL and reaching the EC final the following year, he never reached the same heights, not stupid in the slightest when people are questioning that he somehow went on to achieve the same or more after Ajax, which is madness and factually incorrect. It is as ridiculous to suggest players careers go downhill after winning the CL, some go on to win more and dominate in big or bigger teams, Seedorf, an example from that Ajax era.

    In his spell at Arsenal he was being assisted by Overmars, Bergkamp and Henry whilst being in one of the best free scoring teams ever to play in the PL, so I'd hardly call that a spectacular return.

    Granted, he was fortunate to have a career at all, but if in the end a footballer is judged by trophy success, and as a striker by goal returns, which he should be, then yeah his career went downhill.

  10. Are you for real????

    He went from winning the European Cup and finish EC runner's up to warming the Arsenal bench.

    One goal at Inter in three years, a decent season at Arsenal before he was eternally benched for Henry, before moving to the bright lights of WBA and then the Championship. Yes, his career really took off after that CL winners medal and subsequent final appearance. Litmanen and Kluivert, to Tommy Smith.

  11. He won the POTY awards in 2001, 2002.

    Population figures are completely immaterial; do we all go mental for the Asian POTY? African POTY is hardly comparable to somewhere like Europe, Kanu won it in 1999 even though after he left Ajax he was never even a shadow of the player he formerly was.

    He is a decent player still with good touch and technique, but surely we need more pace in the final third.

  12. Mckay is as much of a winger as Ortiz, in that they are not wingers. Sure they can play left midfield and right midfield respectively, but they cut inside, won't give us width and will end up playing through the middle. That will be OK if our midfield is fluid and fast, however, the problems with nothing coming down the flanks for wide men to give you another option comes when you are carrying passengers like McCulloch in the centre.

    Naismith is another example, when he plays out wide all his best and influential moments come from him driving inside / towards the box. He doesn't give us any width down the right either when he plays RM.

  13. Thats exactly what he is mate.

    Even if you are of that opinion, our lack of width means he's a valuable player and we are much better with him than with nothing out wide. If we could have 11 of them, scoring and playing like that on Sunday, I'd be a happy man.

  14. I might play him before Jig to be perfectly honest!

    He needs to work on his game yes, however, anytime he has come on or started we have looked much better and suddenly had different options. He's the only player who gives us any real width, that aside, he exites people when he's on the pitch rather than watching the kind of midfield performances we were seeing of late.

    Given his goal against Motherwell, even though he is a bit raw, anyone can see there is talent there. He's far from a one trick pony.

  15. Even if you were to agree with it, said "only ability" is a rather important ability when your team is crying out for width, something Ally has stated himself. If Wylde doesn't play, we play through the middle; we have no other option, as anyone else we play out wide is abjectly poor in that position and ends up in us having to come inside. That wouldn't be so bad if we had a fast moving midfield such as against Motherwell, however, having McCulloch and or Edu playing means we end up playing slow bogged down football through the middle with no way of switching to wide areas.

  16. I deliberatly didn't use the word skill that you mentioned, I used ability. Wylde does have the ability to take it past a man, one-on-one, beat a man on the wing and get to the by-line. He doesn't have a million and one tricks no, however, he can give us this, width, pace and a ball out on the wide areas. I linked the wages of Ness and Fleck to Wylde, the wages they are on clearly has a large relation to Wylde. Whittaker's wage may not directly relate to Wylde, however, you start paying players like him 20,000 a week and it has a least a small knock on effect on the attitudes of all players at the club.

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