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14 minutes ago, OhW said:
Young people just believe and repeat whatever is 'cool' at the time.
"If You Are Not a Liberal at 25, You Have No Heart. If You Are Not a Conservative at 35 You Have No Brain"
Simplistic prejudice and a right wing trope. Not buying it.
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Just now, OhW said:
It has already begun.
Sadly, yes. As was predicted. The Union was a huge mistake in the first place; or at least they should have formed a new country when the concept of this island being one nation was at the height of it's popularity. Easy to say with hindsight of course.
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23 minutes ago, Cairo1 said:
Your writing as if Corbyn does not know all of this and that he actual ignores these consequences when he makes decisions, he is fully aware of these consequences and is prepared for that shorter term hit for the longer term goal. I think that is his overriding concern he has a republican, socialist vision that aims to break the UK wth at is the antithesis of his views and I believe that shapes and influences his decisions and actions more than his love or desire for the UK as a nation and what it stands for.
Well I would like to see the end of the UK eventually but not the tribal division of the island. I think the best way to eventually achieve that is as one country; particularly as the one that leaves contains many left leaning allies. I don't see the logic in thinking that the disintegration of the union is likely to help in establishing his preferred society. An independent England is much more likely to turn even further right.
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36 minutes ago, Rangers_no1 said:
@Briton - We played a cup final practically every game last year. This season we're going to get more space and freedom and that can only be a positive for me.
That's a fair point but I think the intensity will rise a notch this year. I don't think that means teams will necessarily come at us more though.
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5 minutes ago, Inigo said:
I'm sure I read a thing recently in the FT about a study that found no link between increased immigration and jobs or wage deflation.
...and the Brexiters are already backing away from the idea that immigration will be reduced.
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46 minutes ago, Cairo1 said:
Briton, you do know that a United Ireland would mean a break up of the U.K. The official name of the UK is the "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland". Then of course the Scottish republicans would use that as the lever to start a similar campaign that has taken place in NI over the last 20+ years.
Corbyn's over arching viewpoint drives this direction, why would he do anything that jeopardises that long term vision, hence the lacklustre Remain campaign. The English labour vote was overwhelmingly leave and if the Labour leadership had campaigned vigorously then they could have swung it to the Remain arguement. This was obvious and why there is revolt in Labour parliamentary ranks.
My point is that Corbyns underlying visions and desires contributed to his abject and abysmal performance as a Remain advocate.
The Scottish nationalists will likely have left before Northern Ireland follows. BTW...if both Scotland and Norn leave the country the remainder could still be called the UK
The overall Labour vote was 63% in favour of remain, that's compared to the 64% of SNP voters. Corbyn's constituency was 75% in favour of EU membership; one of his critics in the PLP, Margret Hodge, managed to convince a paltry 36% of her London constituency to vote remain. There has been a revolt in Labour parliamentary ranks since Corbyn won power with a huge popular mandate from the membership and he was always going to get the blame regardless of facts and figures. Not that I think he is a EU enthusiast but it's untenable to suggest he contributed to the defeat given those figures.
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12 minutes ago, Cairo1 said:
Briton, I do agree that Brexit does offer more opportunity of Corbyns vision, hence, my point.
Why? An independent England is likely to be much harder for the left to win power. He'd be much better off if Scotland stayed in the union and the Labour party eventually recovered. Even if it didn't; the SNP would be likely coalition partners for him. One good thing with Labour though; they seem to finally coming around to the conclusion the the first past the post system needs to go if we don't want a permanent Tory government.
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17 minutes ago, THE_Ibrox_Preacher said:
What's stupid about the questions i asked you?
It's stupid (and a strawman) because your question asked me to explain something I didn't claim.
17 minutes ago, THE_Ibrox_Preacher said:Nicola Sturgeon says that Scotland being voted out of the EU by England and Wales is 'democratically unacceptable' and she is using that as a mandate to push for Scottish "Independence" and re-entry to Europe.
Of course she is. She'd be a crap politician if she didn't, as was predicted, take advantage of this situation that perfectly suits her aims. She's not a crap politician of course, she's probably the best in Britain.
17 minutes ago, THE_Ibrox_Preacher said:The problems with that is Scotland rejected Independence voting to be in a Union with the UK where they could be outvoted, joining the European Union would be handing over Independence gained from exiting the UK, being in the EU makes it highly probable that Scotland will be outvoted on issues within the EU and Scotland has a bigger say in the UK than it would in Europe.
You think people who are pro Europe, including the great majority of Scots, don't understand that they wont get their own way all the time? Of course we do. If you think this simplistic argument will win you the argument on social media then you are seriously mistaken.
17 minutes ago, THE_Ibrox_Preacher said:Now do you have any argument at all to refute what I've just said or will you once again tell me how the young/Scots/"informed" are making the right choices, that people that voted for Brexit are "ignorant fearful little Britainers", that my points/questions are "stupidly simplistic" and that everything I say is a "strawman" and "crap"?
I didn't say everything you have said is a strawman argument. Just one specific question you were using to make a point. Stop lying.
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15 hours ago, ready1873 said:
Had a discussion with a few fellow bears at work on Friday and only myself said we will win the league. What is the view of RM?
We have brought in guys who do not accept failure and are shrewd operators. With the football we played last season, the added steel and experience (which were the lacking elements v HIVs), the new drive for Foderingham, lessons learnt and the feverish support, we WILL win this league.
And of course, Kenny Miller!
I don't know how anyone can make a prediction. How will the new signings gell? How will we handle playing a cup final every week? Has our system been found out, and if so, do we have a plan B? Who will Celtic sign and how much of an effect will Rodgers have? There's too many variables. Of course it could all click and we could have a great season but there's so many unknowns.
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Just now, THE_Ibrox_Preacher said:
So you have no answer to my question.
There is no answer to such a stupidly simplistic strawman question. Nobody has claimed Scotland will not be outvoted again. Is this the kind of crap you expect to use on social media to convince the young informed Scots to vote to remain in the UK? Jeez.
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12 minutes ago, Cairo1 said:
I think it will cause ructions. The over-riding objectives for Corbyn and his accolites is break up of the U.K., especially a united Ireland. Why else the lacklustre, inept and unconvincing remain campaign?
It's the breakup of the UK that is the overriding objective and all other objectives that have been achieved and decisions that are made are biased and made around that overall desired design.
Corbyn doesn't want to see the break up of the UK. A united Ireland, maybe (and that inevitability has also received a boost from Brexit that will likely bring it forward).
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19 minutes ago, THE_Ibrox_Preacher said:
Scotland's say in the UK is 1 in 11.
Scotland's say in the EU would be at best 1 in 58.
Explain to me how that is "Independence" and will ensure that Scotland never gets outvoted again?
A typically simplistic statement from a Brexiter not to mention it being a strawman. Fact is Scotland voted strongly in favour of the EU, much more emphatically than they did to remain in the UK, and it's likely that they will now reject the latter given the chance. This was predicted but of course, in the words of one of your leaders, Michael Gove, 'people in this country have had enough of experts'. That just about sums up all you need to know about the Little Britainers.
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6 minutes ago, THE_Ibrox_Preacher said:
The UK buys far more imports from Europe than it exports to all of it, the EU's importance in terms of trade has declined over the years.
Scotland, on the other hand, exports 4 times as much to the UK as it does to the EU; considering the collapse of oil and the fact Scotland is borrowing on a favourable rate without the set-up costs of an "Independent" Scotland, it would be much, much worse for Scotland to leave the UK than leave Europe.
I don't demand that any Rangers fan believe a certain thing or follow the politics of a football team etc. etc. I make my own mind up and I allow others to do that for themselves (as I should). If the "informed" young can't be made to see what is fairly obvious with the sensible debate then it's a bad day.
I'm not interested in rehashing the debate with Brexiters. Fact is the Scots, and the young and informed people of the UK, are being dragged out of a union they supported by the old ignorant and fearful little Britainers. The idea that you can talk the Scots around on 'social media' to continue to support the union you prefer is just laughable. The only hope you have is the collapse of the EU and economic turmoil. That's the situation the ignorant and fearful Brexit people, supporters of the likes of that buffoon Boris Johnson, the religious loon Michael 'Scumbag' Gove and the xenophobic NHS hating Nigel 'man-of-the-people' Farrage (in reality a multi-millionaire broker), have brought us to.
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9 hours ago, THE_Ibrox_Preacher said:
The proportion of Unionists and Brexit supporters is probably unusually high in our support in comparison to elsewhere in the country, in turn, we risk subconsciously thinking that our support is representative of the rest of the country. The majority of our support faces a real and present danger of an "Independent" Scotland if we don't "fight" to win the argument/debate. Look at social media to see the generation of "new" voters and soon-to-be voters and you'll see some tremendously warped thinking lapped up by the majority. We have to get active in social media, up our game, make valid arguments, be respectful (as to give them no moral victory option and to show them up for the vile lot many of them are when they get abusive and we keep our cool/manners), highlight things the media and politicians don't, present a vision of the UK that people want, guide people on how to make the UK work, highlight the positives of the UK, point out the risks of Independence, tackle the SNP on their short-sighted policies that would be catastrophic if implemented, highlight the lies of Independence supporters/SNP/"new media" etc. etc. If we sit on our arses preaching to the converted (I'm as guilty of that as anyone) and deriding the opposition we could be in for a very tough time going forward, just look at how things currently are.
It's laughable for Brexiters to think that they can talk the informed young into remaining in one union after having rejected the one they wanted to remain with. Cloud cuckoo land.
People have got to stop this idea of the support having to follow a particular political path anyway (particularly the scummy right wing one that that so many do already). That way lies a future where Rangers are a Scottish version of St Pauli.
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19 hours ago, Copland bear said:
Slagging people for being British and proud to be British? Is that not why we sing orule Britania? Yet you hate cunts like me that sing it and feel proud to sing it, you are totally against people who agree with singing it? Yet I agree about not taking Syrian refugees in their tens of thousands,
Yet we get branded racist for our views , so what are your remarks?
What are you now ? Scottish or British as the SNP have told us we no longer can be both.
Hopefully you feel the latter, but stop playing the victim card you really sound like one of that lot.
I'm playing the victim card! That's rich. I've slagged nobody for being British and haven't said I hate you for singing a song. Grow up, dry your eyes, stop your whining and stop fucking lying about what I have said.
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30 minutes ago, Copland bear said:
No true Rangers fans? Shareholder with 2 season books, started following Rangers Greigs first season when we lost the league 4-2 at the mhanky mob to deny us the treble then misery for a good few years after that
You've got it arse about face as usual. I'm not saying anyone is not a true rangers fan. It's you that goes in for logical fallacies and accused me of not being a real Bear.
30 minutes ago, Copland bear said:As I said to you make the remark about someone else, IE, French, Spanish, Italiqn or even Irish and it would be described as racist
What fucking remark? You surely aren't accusing me of being racist because I think Rule Britannia is an embarrassing jingositic dirge?
30 minutes ago, Copland bear said:As I said make your feeling known at the stadium not on here but you seem to think that was a threat of violence...
That is always a (pathetic) veiled threat of violence. But of course I wouldn't say that at Ibrox. I'd be watching the football and supporting Rangers; you can do that without singing RB (or GStQ) you know; or you can get caught up in the passion and sing it anyway...doesn't mean in the cold light of day you can't wish it was a different song.
30 minutes ago, Copland bear said:If not spout your racist anti British pish like the nationlists elsewhere, so sorry I offended your delicate racist feelings.
The irony is strong with this one. It's a hand-wringing Tim like trait to consider criticism of a song that is nationalistic as racism aimed at that country. Also; how many times do I have to tell you? I don't support the nationalists...Scottish or British.
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38 minutes ago, Copland bear said:
Briton, Rule Britannia , pass the sick bucket? Are you on the right forum? As keep shite like that to your self, If you are hurt about the referndum's both that we won, Would it not cheer you up to know it was written by a Scotsman?
Sick to death of so called Rangers fans like you spouting pish on here you would never ever do at the Stadium.
Sing it loud sing it proud or do you not think another team is needed or do you support Celtic or the likes as that's the sort of thing one of them would say.
..and I'm sick to death of this pathetic 'no true Rangers fan' trope and the usual air-headed 'are you a Tim?' shite that the more cerebraly challenged among our support always run to when someone disagrees with their opinion. Also...read what I fucking posted; I am not a supporter of Scottish nationalism.
Edit: And stop sending me PM's falsely accusing me of making racist remarks.
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18 hours ago, Chineseboy said:
Voting leave basically means that in a few years we will no longer be British. An incredibly naive move by the people who think that leaving meant protecting our British identity. Sturgeon said she wanted to stay, no she fucking didn't , this is the result she wanted. Enjoy being British as its not going to last. Honestly thought we were more intelligent than this, but clearly not.
Damn right. This was an excellent result for the tribalists.
18 hours ago, mchammer said:I believe those that voted leave, were the ones who have never gained anything from being in Europe. Maybe even worse off since joining.
Many people in Cornwall have voted to leave despite being granted Objective One status and having millions spent in one of the poorest areas in Western Europe; something the English government would never have done. If people think that way they are fools; who's going to protect us from TTIP now? Who's going to protect our rights...the Tories?
16 hours ago, Copland bear said:Makes it even better singing Rule Britannia, wait till the season starts
Pass the sick bucket. 'Britannia rules the waves'; fucking laughable if it wasn't so utterly pathetic.
15 hours ago, TEFTONG said:When France Italy and Holland decide to hold referendums and they all choose to leave...
Sadly...that's probably the best hope for this island to stay united as one state.
8 hours ago, HG5 said:You'll be changing that user name then?
No. My name is a political statement. If I had my way the (foreign) entities of Scotland and England would be consigned to history and a new country (preferably a republic) would replace this union of false tribes.
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1 hour ago, ianferguson said:
Surely Scotland potentially getting independence and rejoining the EU would be seen as a threat to Britains security , there's no doubt migrants would enter Scotland legally with the intention of smuggling into Britain. For that reason alone Britain will resist another independence referendum ,surely.
It's up to the Scots to decide their future not 'Britain'. Of course some will oppose but I'll be surprised if this is not enough to tip the balance and eventually see the end of the union. This was basically a vote for English independence. I feel sad for my kids and grandchildren.
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Just now, Zulu said:
Will never happen
Of course it will happen. If the EU recovers Scotland will eventually join. Rightly so IMO. I was a Unionist but I couldn't blame a majority of Scots for divorcing themselves from the English now.
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An independent Scotland will rejoin eventually. The only thing that might stop that is the collapse of the EU.
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32 minutes ago, eejay the dj said:
What's that got to with it .You sensitive wee soul
Your the one who started a hand wringing thread (over fuck all).
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I wonder how many would have been at the European Cup final if we had beaten Eintracht Frankfurt and played Real at Hampden?
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19 hours ago, Camshy said:
Celtic unfortunately hold the brittish record for a game and that stands at 147000 odd for a Scottish Cup game at Hampden versus Aberdeen
No they don't. Hampden holds that record as it's not a home game on their ground but a neutral venue. Why do you say Celtic and not Aberdeen?
Edit: BTW...that's a European record. Pedantic loyal.
Effect of referendum on us
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It's difficult to argue with Winston Churchill's assessment; “Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others.”
The problem is not with scumbag junkies, how many of those types do you think participated in the referendum? It's with ill educated and uninformed. We need to deal with press ownership in this country; if a Corbyn government ever does get in with a good majority it's the first thing they should tackle.