Moraybluenose

I am saying that most fans back these organisations and they are also members of at least one or more of them.

Sorry Bluepeter, you are asking what the relevance of these orders are to our club and why they should be in the BD. I am saying the relevance is that Rangers are what they are BECAUSE of these organisations and today they are still as relevant as they were in the past. Our numbers are made up of the members of these organisations, if you want to believe other wise then we will need to agree to disagree. This forum clearly shows the bias towards these organisations and their beliefs, a match day is like a meeting to those in the know whith many a kent face. My point is without these organisations we are nothing, thats why this thread is going on and on and on. Yourself and the dude seem to be enjoying the debate but there are not too many backing you up, which again is the relavnce of having this in the BD

I understand your point and I dont have an up to date year book to provide the info that I know is there. If you do please feel free, prove whether or not it is in decline in the states. I know what I hear from fellow brothers, who are both members and have visited the states. I tend to believe them and was doing a quick search on google as the poster obviously didnt when he pulled figures out of thin air.

It has nothing to do with rangers in the same way that people have nothing to do with rangers. The fact that such a high percentage of our members are members of the said organisations is where the connection is. As I said before take all the supporters out of ibrox who are aligned to these organisations and you would have very little left! Hence the reason we are also being represented in this forum.

Whether or not it is recocgnised by GLoS doesnt diminish the point that in the states the lodge is huge and increasing, the point 'the dude' made was their hadnt been a lodge opened since 1998 and it was on the decline.

Thanks for the explanation. Surely though the point of it being in the bears den is the fact that so many (a high %) are aligned to these organisations which is why the thread has so many viewers. I would have replied earlier but being such a new member i was restricted fom doing so!

At least this will help lower the wage bill and re-dress the shortfall each month. Without very much loss to the club and none that cant be easily filled. If he sees his future with them, goodbye!

Bluepeter, I am intrigued by anyone who doesnt believe in some sort of god. How do square away thinks like xmas, easter etc or do you simply not celebrate these? When at ibrox and we sing our songs, do you not participate? Weddings, funerals are normally religious ceremonies, do you only attend humanist ones? Whilst my faith remains in god, there have been many times when i have questioned it but something keeps bringing me back. I understand this may sound like i am having a go, i am not as I respect others views. Just intrigued as I say.

Any one seen the thread 12th July? whats that about?

www.gomasons.org/ - United States Just done one search, follow the link above you will see you are wrong. Nice theory but no ceegar!

Aye there a bit thats questionable on this thread!

I tend to agree

Super has done himself no harm whatsoever. Absolute class

When your mates been a prick sometimes you just have to stand back

Why are we hearing this in installments. This guy is luvin all this

Has whyte sold his shares? Did Green not say he had paid £2 for them, so does that not mean he has sold them already?

I agree