Albertz 78
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3 minutes ago, K.A.I said:
There's a few chains before that though ..
If his 10-million loan got approved.
If Rangers defaulted.
If he took up full security on them he could have leased them back to the club forever .. you need to remember the training ground can't be built upon, that's common knowledge - it literally can't be used for housing and Ibrox stadium the facade is listed similar to Highbury but who's going to buy premium flats in Govan with the state of the place the way it is? there's no market for luxury developments - it's nowhere even near the Clyde to put a bit of a premium on top.Ashley was bad news, make no mistake but some of the stuff get's re-wrote a little.
Just a quick question, has Park or Letham or anyone else had any sort of security on any of the loans they gave at the start?
Final post on this cause would rather chat about the footie.
But I think the odds of Rangers defaulting were huge at that time I can't see anyway the club was paying that kind of money back.
Also I was never of the opinion that Ashley was going to knock Ibrox down or anything but I suspect the plan was to rent it back to the club long term at maybe a million or year or so.
As for Park, Letham that's a question I can't really answer one way or another I've not seen anything but that's not to say they never.
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Just now, K.A.I said:
Bit different from Ashley selling the stadium is it not? I'd want something substantial as security too if I was handing over 10 million quid.
We already owed Ashley £6,000,000 at the time so the total debt to him would have been £16,000,000.
When Rangers defaulted on the loans and that would have happened Ashley would have owned Ibrox and Auchenhowie.
It was a case of selling the ground by the backdoor to be honest.
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16 minutes ago, Courtyard Bear said:
Saved Ibrox. ??
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/30827483
Newcastle owner Mike Ashley is ready to provide a loan of about £10m to Rangers but wants security of Ibrox Stadium and the club's Murray Park training ground, BBC Scotland has learned.
The so-called Three Bears consortium, led by the businessman Douglas Park, is believed to have offered a counter loan of about half that amount.
That group wants two seats on the club board and security over Murray Park.
However, it is thought the Rangers board feel the £5m loan is not enough.
In a statement to the Stock Exchange at lunchtime on Thursday, Rangers said: "The directors confirm that they are currently considering various proposals to secure the financial future of the club, however no decision has been made at this time."
The club needs a major injection of cash within the next few weeks just to continue as a going concern.
Rangers released a statement last year assuring fans that the club's stadium would never be used as security.
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2 minutes ago, K.A.I said:
Since when was not having a nomad something stupid to beat them with? do you even know the importance of one? the fact that King promised us one to help with club investment and finances when he was angling for the reigns of the club?
It's certainly not ever mentioned at all on any supporters bus I've been on, And on other forums other than a fleeting mention this is never brought up.
Frankly it's the kind of rubbish you would expect on a John James blog.
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2 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:
Let's keep it factual here - I don't recall Ibrox being put up for sale so that's just a lot of shite, it's a fact there's no nomad though
Ashley had plans to give the club a loan leveraged against Ibrox that is a fact!
As for the nomad I've had a season ticket on and off since 1996 and never once heard any fan talk about a nomad. The only place I've seen it being mentioned at all is on here.
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26 minutes ago, With Heart and Hand said:
it is a deflection, followed by a load of ifs buts and maybes. 7 pages in and the only defence of the board anyone can come up with is the default pish about the old board. This thread is damning to those backing the board since they clearly can't tell us what's so great about them
So saving Ibrox should not be counted in the boards favour or be used as a defence for them, but not having a nomad or something equally stupid can be used as a tool to beat them with?
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1 minute ago, Turnberry18 said:
Is the default position what previous boards have done; does that give this lot a free pass for incompetence? This manager situation is symptomatic of a great malaise at this club, and it needs sorted.
Not really a deflection as such just a reminder of where we would have been right now without them.
More than likely we would be renting Ibrox at this minute and fighting relegation.
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Just now, K.A.I said:
You’ve just rewrote a hell of a lot of history there .. if you remember Ashley gave back the renaming rights so that kinda throws that horror story into the bin
hope that doesn’t make me an Ashley cheerleader now or anything
Ashley proposed mortgaging off Ibrox weeks before being forced out.
Yes I know that may have happened in the past under Murray but we were never going to default on any loans during that period had Ashley got his way Rangers would never have been able to pay back the £10m or so back.
You can slag this board off as much as you want but had they not showed up believe me things would be a thousand times worse than they are now.
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1 minute ago, five stars said:
No mate I'm not taking the piss. I'm also not on here to defend the board. The level of hatred directed at the board is ridiculous.
You just wonder at times where the venom is for the real villains like Murray,Whyte and Green at times these 3 have done a 1000 times more damage to our club than someone like Paul Murray yet they get about 1% of the abuse.
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Just now, With Heart and Hand said:
it's not up to the fans it's up to the board. they failed. end of story
The point is no outstanding candidate exists at the minute so it's better to take a few weeks longer than rush in and hand someone not up to the job a 3 and a half year contract which will costs millions of pounds.
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When MW was named manager the same posters that are now slagging off the board for appointing him were kissing Warbs backside telling everyone what a great appointment he was hindsight is a wonderful thing.
If DM was appointed the moans would have been "he's not good enough" "the cheap option" "won nothing" blah blah
And as for the time it's taken to get a manager in I've yet to see any of the support agree on who that should be.
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It's a difficult one.
We don't have the money to bring in a top quality European coach at the minute which would mean dropping down to mid level or lower level foreign manager who does not understand the Scottish game.
The money down south is astronomical so getting a gaffer from the EPL is out of the question which leaves another Warburton style gaffer who would be a massive risk or DM who knows about the Scottish game and can steady the ship over the next few years.
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9 hours ago, Virtuoso said:
A loss that will be turned to profit at a later date, i.e when he sells his shares at some point.
You're not telling me you believe he's throwing millions into us without a return on it at some point. Seriously?
King will be lucky to get face value for his shares far less make the supposed profit that keeps getting brought up on here.
The idea that someone will come along and buy Kings 15% for a massive amount then buy the remaining amount of shares to take control plus fund new signings and cover big losses every year is fantasy.
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For me the two biggest wasters at the club right now are Kranjcar and Rossiter probably looking at 10-15k being tossed down a drain every week with these two.
For the one's that do play every manger we get seems to have a blind spot and just can't see how pish a keeper Wes Foderingham is and also no matter how many strikers we bring in we always go back to Miller who is 38.
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The biggest problem have been managers who have spent the money given to them on total shit footballers not the SOS.
Pena, Niko, Rossiter , Senderos , Herrera, MOH, Dalcio, Garner, Windass, Crooks, Dodoo, Barton, Toral, Forrester, Nemane etc.
An eye watering amount of money has been wasted on the above in fees/wages.
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Regime change? And who the f**k is going to pay off the £16m debt , write a cheque for £10m+ for new players then cover losses for millions and millions every season just to win the pishy SPFL?
Absolute pie in the sky stuff.
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Touch of the Nathan Oduwa about Dalcio not convinced once everyone is fit he'll be in the team.
Jack and Cardoso were decent.....the rest too little time to tell.
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Seen a bit on twitter yesterday about that garbage pay-pal donations sponging site Scottish football monitor e-mailing the Luxembourg FA about Rangers Accounts and that we don't have enough home grown players in the squad FFS.
Add Fare to this and it's not hard to see what the agenda will be come Friday morning.
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He's pretty much said more or less what's been posted on here 1000s of times about timmys titles being tainted over the years can't understand the criticism?
We need that wee bit of arrogance and swagger back as a club. If it is a close title race you can bet that lot from the beast end will play mind games and try every trick in the book next season this is just the first shot and for a change we're the one's firing it.
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In 2 and a half years (a relatively short space of time in football) this board has taken the club from 3rd in the championship with KMD as gaffer and debts secured against club assets, A disgraceful retail deal signed for the benefit of Mike Ashley not Rangers, and four injured players on loan one of them with hepatitis C to.....
European football, internationals signing, new retail deal, excellent DOF appointed and for the first time in 6 years looking toward the future.
And yet you've still got some on here who want to vent their spleens about how bad they are 24/7 365?
Last season might have been pish but it was always going to take time to rebuild after the previous regimes.
Few humble pies might well be eaten soon.
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Caixinha was reportedly on £2m wages at his last club I doubt he's taken a 60% pay cut (maybe more) just to come over here and make a fool of himself.
If he took the job then he must think any money that's been set aside for players is enough to at the very least put up a very strong challenge next season and win a few things.
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4 minutes ago, harlands plater said:
I fail to understand why Forest think he'll get them into the Premiership, if that's their aim.
He will guide them into a different league next season but sadly for them it won't be the Premiership.
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Forest are 19th in the league right now not exactly the right time for them to start playing 4-3-3.
Good news for Rangers though probably no compensation paid to him and hopefully he takes half a dozen of his signings with him come the summer.
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Will be bad for Forest if he gets the job but maybe good for us.
Given that his knowledge of signing players was primarily guys he had worked with in the past at some point he might take a few of the injury prone underachievers he brought to Rangers with him come the summer.
Any Forest fans looking in get to the bookies and place money on him bringing on his first substitute right on the 60th minute in his first game in charge, also get ready for league one football.
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It's nice they have Rangers to talk about cause they can't really say much on the transfer front apart from desperately trying to punt Dembele before the window shuts.
Cummings, Morelos and Murphy running at them at Ibrox will be a joy to watch.