TheBillyBoys1872

Okay. Lets make it simple. Without loans Rangers would downsize? Still following? If the board spent money we don't have or can't manage based on our turnover, then we'd have to downsize like what happened when Big Eck had to downsize Rangers then. Only We're in a far worse position financially. I can't make it anymore simplier for you. We make no money after our expenditure. Who covers the losses? Answer me that question.

I follow Rangers. Don't you?

At least you understand the shite we're in. I agree if King doesn't spend some money and we keep going the way we're going then he's going to get hauled that's for sure. Some people on here calling dor 20.million with the state our business is on is madness. We couldn't afford to maintain thay expenditure for long unless we got champions league money every year which is a gamble. A big gamble.

Because our of all the board, he's the only one who's invested millions into us before. 20 million. He's the only one with the cash. Its why he is the chairman and he's not even in thr country. If King goes then who steps in? If nobody buys us then who handles our losses we're making right now? Until the business is on its oen feet then we will be relying on others to foot the bill. Its the board who are paying for the losses.

How much cash does King actually have? You seem to have all the answers big man.

Agree with you. We will get better. Some of the roasters on here thinking Rangers should be spending money we cannot actually subsidize. 20 million would turn into 39 million if we fail.

I'm naive? Coming from you who thinks spending 40.million and forgetting we're making a loss would solve all Rangers problems. You're fucking dreaming if you think that could work. The turnover of the club right now proves that ya numpty.

I can't get through to you. If you want King out go and protest it. You won't do it cause you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. If you want him out and can get a better board who are richer then please do it.

Fucking clueless. You'd have Rangers run into the ground so you could chase after the scum. Get real ffs.

How much did they spend? 3 million on Sinclair and 600 grand on Demebele? A million on the right back and a goalkeeper? Are you forgettibg they make a turnover of at least 60 to 70 million. There sponsership makes quadruple what we make. They have there own shops selling merchendise. They have 50 odd thousand season ticket money. They was in glamour friendlies making millions. You eant me to keep going on and on? Because that won't solve the problems we have at our club, fuck them. Its about us. We make 27 million in turnover. How the fuck do you spend 20.million on players while already making a loss and still keeo the business going with even more expenditure. You're a fucking balloon.

And the board previously was dealing with a business that was generating more than 26 million or whatever a year. Times have changed. We went into administration which fucked our whole business. Everything that was making us money was gone. The fans was the only ones to stay because we're fans. Crisis loans ot whatever you wanted to call them. If we didn't take them then we would have downsized. Do you want that? The board didn't its why they gave the club the money. To try and stay competitive as much as we can be allowed too.

I disagree about 5 years. It will take time. But we can't lose our ambition cause of the finances. But we still have to be careful. We can afford to spend money but never 20 million. That would finish us if we failed to get into the champions league which is a gamble no sane businessman would take, unless you're a fucking chanced with nothing to lose. I.e Craig Whyte.

..... 17 million..... Check the operation costs of our club. Compare the two. Tell me how much of the 17 million left after expenditure. Let me give you a clue.... None.

2000 we was making money. This is 2016 mate. We went through administration we as a business had to start over in the shitehole of Scottish football where winning division 3 was a few hundred quid at best. Nobody would touch us. Ffs no bank will touch us. The business as a whole was destroyed. That is why we have fuck all in income after expenditure. We're making loss after loss and the board are trying ti correct that. It will happen but throwing money at a club who's unable to sustain the expenditure it has is fucking mental. We would go under for sure and nobody is going to save us.

But he made those claims before he knew the extent of the clubs finances. I'm not sticking up for him but that's the truth. He could damage the club if he invests to much based on a gamble which is champions league because the club could not afford to maintain that higher expenditure. We can't maintain the expenditure we got. Kings not going to keep chucking 20 million here and there if we fail. It won't work and we'll be back in administration before you know it, if we did that. It seems that's what people want in order to beat the taigs.

Yet, we're still paying money for the likes of Garner. And people say the board are not putting any money in. The club makes no money. It costs the board to keep up functioning as a business. Without those soft loans we'd have to either downsize which would put us further behind. That's what Ashley and his fat bastard crew wanted.

You're missing the point. If King decides to splash the cash and we fail, bearing in mind we're making losses still. You'd actually hurt the club more than its already hurting. The losses would also increase if we don't get to the champions league. The taigs scrapped into the champions league and was lucky. They have a turnover more than double ours.... Yes more than double.

Its in the accounts. They are online. Read them. We don't make as much money as you think which is bonkers i know but its the truth. The most valuable income stream in season tickets which is about 17 million. It takes more than 17 million to run Rangers. A lot more.

So if we don't borrow the loans then what do we do? Downsize? You tell me. If er downsize we're further behind the paedos.

Those are valid points. And I'm with you. Season ticket money alone doesn't cover the operating costs of the club. That's my while point. Thr club as a business is shagged. They're trying to grow it to make more money for the club. It won't happen over night. Throwing money at it which the business doesn't generate risks the security of our club if we fail. Nothing is guaranteed in football. We could blow the taigs out the water and still fucking lose the league after spending more than them. It just means if we fail pur losses increase and King isn't going to keep covering our losses. Especially that fucking higher. 3 million loss was this year. Its getting smaller so the board are doing something right. They increased the wage bill and still cut losses from the year before. We should be close to breaking even when the next set of accounts are due out. Or making a nice profit

No businessman is going to touch us if we're making losses. Forget the loans for a second. We needed them to keep afloat. Those loans will turn to equity unless there is loans i don't k oe aboit that you're referring too? If we never took the loans we'd have to downsize. Its as simple as that. The board felt that was a necessary decision to take based on the fact we will be turning a profit soon enough. They know we will turn a profit due to being in the top league, old firm games etc and sponsership will rise once our current deals expire. What are you advocating here? You want to chuck money at it?

Its a bad situation i know. But we'd make it worse if we chucked money and failed. We can't take that risk when Rangers as a business cannot generate enough to cope with the expenditure it would develop if we did throw 20 to 30 million at it. Like i said, Sarver was our lifeline. And we got conned out of that also. Now KingCo ate in control what's stopping a rich cunt coming in and taking over? King would sell if someone came in and offered to take us over. We are not making any money and nobody rich is going to look at us unless they're a fan. Or have a relationship with a fan of ours. We are where we are. We can't think what happened years ago. We need to think how to make Rangers making even more money. We first need to break even and then turn a profit. We will never do that if we throw money at it. That's a gamble that we shouldn't be taking.

So... You hate King. I figured that much. Jokes aside, you can say you know more. If King wants to fuck of then he could. Then what? We would be even more fucked. You clearly don't understand business. You're ranting on about engines for F1 cars. We have 11 players who play football. If you onlu have an engine like you said you shouldn't be in F1. We have a full squad of players so what is your point? You reckon King should pump 50 million or 30 million or whatever into Rangers when our turnover is less than 30 million? While making losses already? Thank fuck you're not in control of Rangers. You'd fucking sink us within a season.

Look i never said i believe the board. What i an saying is they are what we have. Unless you can get a rich sigar daddy who can cover our losses while spending wrecklessly then we have to grow the business. The board are covering our losses. You just need to read our accounts. Why are they covering our losses? We'd have to downsise in order to cut those losses. That means staff losses, wage bill decreased whatever it takes to bring that loss down. The reason the board qre prepared to take the necessary losses at the moment is because they believe we will turn a profit soon. And That's what i believe. Sponsership will go up and the money we have will regular old firm games and finishing second is millions for us. That alone will make us turn a profit. Then we have to steady our business and grow it. And keep growing it until its at its full potential. If you can get someone who is rich and willing to subsidize our losses and put in 20 million and is happy to do all that. I'll drag King and every board member out of Ibrox myself. But its not going to happen. Sarver was our best bet and Ashley goons fucked it.

You're right. The quality is lacking. But you can't blame Warburton for all this. The finances dictate what quality we bring in. The club as a business is not making money. Warburton still can make this shower play some decent football. The players are what they are. Average players trying to live up to being a Rangers player. Some of them don't have the skill, balls, fight or mentality to play for us. That's where you can blame the manager for some of thise attributes. We we can't pay for skilled players at least get the some of the attributes right. It doesn't cost to have fight or balls in a player.