TheBillyBoys1872

Start a campaign then. Get King out of our club. If you can guarantee a rich cunt who is willong to pump millions into us and grow Rangers as a business I'll join you right now!

5 million on players should be enough to at least compete and close that gap. But again its not guaranteed and is a gamble just not a big gamble lile you're suggesting which would fucking bankrupt us completely.

The reality is we cannot do what we once did. We was on par with them. 4 years in the lowrr divisions and administration fucking destroyed Rangers as a business. We're in the first season back in the top league and cunts are expecting immediate challenges to those cunts when they're as a business turning profits. They didn't go through what Rangers did. I will never accept second. But ffs open your eyes. We cannot on a financial point compete with them. Not yet.... But your answer is to Chuck money at it. The same fucking thing that got us in this mess in the first place.

Exactly. Thank Fuck someone actually gets where I'm coming from.

Lol, King has not done any job on me. Man i don't know where to begin with this. I've said before i couldn't give a fuck about King. Rangers is my priority. You rather spend wrecklessly and gamble on our club. I prefer to invest but not the sums that people are asking for. That would kill the business ffs. You tell me why King hasn't put us on the stock exchange then? Go ahead. Ashley could hire anyone from the street and give him money to invest into Rangers and immediately he'd have control over Rangers. The same mob that worked with Ashley chased Sarver tae fuck when he tried to buy the club. You can believe what you want. So long as Rangers are safe and not in trouble which you're proposing. If you ask me. I think we can spend 5 million and still control to a degree our losses, without riskinf the club. The club is growing every single day. We will have more income coming in.

If it was that easy. We'd have people willing to buy Rangers. If its as easy as you think it is. Why don't you start a, "Get King to fuck" protest and see who if anyone will come to the rescue if you get your wish? Sarver was our best shot. We fucked that because of Ashley.

You can't really compare Rangers to an F1 team. Firstly you need a car and that requires more than just an engine. Its totally different. This is football you play with 11 players. We have 11 players, albeit some are shite. I can argue with you but i don't think you'll understand ehay i am trying to say. Not once is my argument directed for a second rate team. I've said we need to spend and prepare to take losses, which is what we're doing. But people on here want us to spend 20 million just on players, forgetting about the other expenses the club will have to cover. Its nonsensical that idea. King said it would take 50.million, 30 he was willing to put in. Did he know the extent of how bad Rangers was as a business then? No... He may have been on the board years ago when we was making money than 27 million a year in turnover. That's the reality of it. We make no money and you're wanting Rangers to spend vasts amount of money that we don't actually have and forget the security of the club? Again, i don't expect you to understand my argument.

Agree, he's the only one that looked like he could do something last night. He probably knows the team around him are not good enough. Its all over his face. When McKay is consistent he's a gem of a player. The rest like you said can play umpteen games for Rangers and still won't be Rangers class. I thought the tactics was fine. So i can't fault Warburton for that. What i can fault him for is him bringing these mentally weak players to the club and trying to make them into actual Rangers players. Some of them can't play for a high expected club like Rangers.

What do you propose without risking the clubs safety? Because we can't do anything right now without risking the club. What we can do is spend some money and grow the business. Which is what the board are doing. They're not going to risk the clubs safety. That's what i am trying to say. Its better having a club than no club. Second is not good enough. We've beaten them before when we was limited with our finances. With a few good signings we can achieve that then try for the champions league group stages and make real money. Growing the business and keeping losses down is what every business strives for. Not reckless spending while the business is making fuck all at present.

You're acting as if i don't want Rangers to win. I want Rangers to win. But what some are proposing is suicide. I never said we shouldn't invest. We just can't cover 20 million on players and keep the losses down. That's the truth.

I never once said i was backing the board. I am stating facts about our financial situation. We're not making money. That is the truth. How do you make a business that's not making money to make money? You invest large sums of money and gamble hoping champions league money will save us. Or do you grow the business? Take a few hits to keep operations growing and slowly build and eventually turn a profit. If we blow 20.million while making a loss and we fail in getting into the champions league. Then what? Another 20.million? While at the same time the clubs losses increase and increase and increase. Who is going to cover those costs? The fans can't. Our season ticket sales cover 17 million. That is simply not enough for that sort of spending. Regarding the share issue. There has to be one. Otherwise where do we go from here? We need investment and this is how we need to do it. You're acting as if King owns the full club. He's just a shareholder who's chairman. Regarding the Nomad which is related to the stock exchange, that's a different debate. If we was on the stock exchange what's to stop Ashley getting one of his guys to buy shares? Its why the board wanted the votes for resolution 11 so they could control who could buy shares and who couldn't.

I am aware. But that was different. We never went through what we have recently. The taigs are not all that but we are worse. If we are going to catch them then we have to spend wisely not wrecklessly. We have to be smart and get the right players to actually take it to them. And that's where I'm saying we have to invest but not 20 30 or 40 million that some people are crying out for. We cannot manage that sort of deficit if the while plan goes up in smoke and we don't get into the champions league.

My argument is not flawed. It really is a gamble to spend money the club cannot by itself cover to buy success. Unless we have rich sugar daddy's who are willing to cover our losses the business would be in jeopardy and eventually folding cause King isn't going to bail us out if the business is out of control.

I'm backing nobody but Rangers. That's what my whole point is all about. Where did you get we owe 20 million out too? I figured you're talking about the board, as its coming from the board as they have been covering the losses we make. I don't know the board personally so how would i know how much they loaned the club? They wouldn't have loaned the club money if they wanted it back whenever they wanted. As far as I'm led to believe the loans we have are from board members and other investers who are Rangers fans who all accepted the money loaned would be turned into equity when a share issue is issued. As far as i am led to believe those said loans are interest free loans so we're not paying anything back in terms of money. It just means we will be giving them equity in return for the value of the loan. Unless you know more? Then go ahead and tell.

I agree with most of what you said. We have go spend. But we cannot afford to spend 20 million when we cannot cover it the expenditure that would follow. Its far to risky to spend that kind of money in the short term and forget the consequences of what follows with the expenditure. Our business is growing and will be stronger. You honestly think the taigs who netted 30 million or so in champions league money are gonna blow all that? There expenditure would go through the roof and they'd also. E making losses. And they're stronger than us business wise and football wise. So what do you think King should do? Spend 20 million in players and neglect the business just to chase glory? Or grow the business then spend when the clib can handle that sort of expenditure?

Who do we owe money out too? The board? 3 bears? Aren't they all willing to change that all into equity? Was they charging us interest on the loans? The board have spent. Do you know how much it costs to run a club the size of Rangers? With what's happened to Rangers as a business, it was never going to be as simple as to throw money at it. We're in Scottish football. As a business we've had to start again. What we had before was wiped when we changed company and was forced out of the league and put in division 3. We're making losses and that is why we rely on these loans. Yet... People want to increase our expenditure while we're not making as much as we could.

Exactly mate. And people are advocating we spend 20 million on players thinking its just that simple. Rangers as a business is making losses and we cannot afford to spend 20 million on just players for a gamble. That chancer Whyte gambled on us getting into thr champions league and that failed and we ended up in administration. That is what people are asking Rangers to do again....

You maybe right. But it's the hand we got given. We're stuck with them. The reality is we don't generate enough to go aboit spending that kinda money. For example. If we spend 20 million just on transfers and we fail to win the league. Our losses dramatically rise. 20 million turns into 25 million investment then 30. Its a gamble. People wanting to gamble on champions league money, Forgetting the consequences if we fail. That way is a gamble. Growing the business and increasing our income is guaranteed money every season for Rangers. That's the model King and so are going down. It's obvious.

A share issue won't fix all the problems. Its a loan, yes. But we won't need to physically pay it back our of the clubs coffers. That will be changed into equity, giving them a firmer grip of the club. I couldn't give a Fuck about king and co I just want Rangers safe and to grow as a business. I don't want us to go back into administration cause if we do, i doubt King would save us. I honestly wished for Sarver if im telling the truth.

Do i fuck accept second place. But that's what's happened to our club. If king and co decide to leave. Who is going to step in? We are making losses at the moment. If we're making a loss then who is paying to cover the loss?

Our season ticket money alone is not enough to keep the players we have and keep the lights on, ground maintenance, staff costs. Just take a look at our accounts mate and you will see the expenditure to our 17 million in season money. Go ahead.

20 million on loans? Or soft loans which they put into equity in a future share issue?

Yes, it's the boards job. The fact we was able to cut losses and higher the wage bill suggests they're generating money. But not enough at the moment since we're still making a loss. We should be breaking even by next year.

Oh my god. You really are slow. How can't you understand? We make less than 30 fucking million a year. And you're wanting to spend 20 million, forgetting the expenditure of the club will have to rise in order to sign the players you want. We are making a loss already! We are making less than 30 million a fucking year and making losses right now. And you want to higher expenditure costs dramatically to chase after the taigs who's business is stronger than ours, risking our club. It's not guaranteed and its gambling with the clubs security. It's the same thing that got us in this mess in the first place.

Smaller? Like you ya wee cock jockey? How will it get smaller if our fans stick together and support the team. Our sponsorship money in 2017 should be increased which all goes into the team. You're another halfwit that knows fuck all. What you're actually asking is for Rangers to go back to spending money we didn't actually have. Only... We're in a far worse financial state now than we was back then in terms of generating money. We're making around 30 million a year, maybe less. What oart of that doesn't register in your brain ya fud?