BigAmo 13 Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 What by getting ferguson in line, getting us knocked out of europe and finishing 2nd that plg would have got us anyway!sure as shittin' didn't look like us for 2nd when he was smellin up the sidelines. PLG was not for Rangers, end of. Great he's adored in France, I'm sure he's a very nice guy and deserves credit for what he did at PSG. He was not for Rangers, and that's who I care about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dillinger 0 Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 Paul Le Guen is gone and good luck to him. He wasn't the man for Rangers, at least during this current period of cutbacks. I'm a Rangers fan first and foremost and the wellbeing of RFC is my primary concern and I'd like nothing better to close this chapter :pg: .Yet PLG continues to cast a shadow over Ibrox, IMO we're talking about almost as much as when he was in office! There are still a lot of questions and issues hanging over one of the murkiest, most badly handled episodes of our recent history. Whatever your view of PLG, it should be remembered that the fans have never had a satisfactory account of what exactly happened and why a dressing room descended into chaos. Whether we like to admit it or not this fiasco, combined with singing contraversy, has seriously damaged the Continental reputation of Rangers FC. The lack of sanction against certain players, despite some serious disciplinary allegations, has left a rotten smell IMO that has allowed conspiracy theories to flourish. From top to bottom the entire debacle has been yet another shocking indictment of David Murray's lack of leadership.This issue was effectively re-opened by Barry Ferguson's reaction to a proposed book about Le Guen's time at Govan, if true this will be the ex-manager's first official comment on this ill-fated spell at Rangers. For a guy who was a blameless victim, I find Ferguson's reaction interesting. IMO, the 'Dreyfuss Affair' is going to keep on running until a new broom really does take charge at Ibrox. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rfc72 0 Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 Another PLG thread they are all getting boring now He came to Scotland and underestimated the SPL and failed!! Walter came in and sorted out the main problem we had which was in defence and doesnt matter what age David Weir is but he has came in and made a massive difference to that defence!! European football is/was a bonus but the SPL is what matters the ship had to be steadied and Walter came in and done that and secured a Champions League qualifier for the club and thats all we can ask for Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooper1989 0 Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 When PLG took over at Rangers he brought in 2 defenders for £1.2 million in total. Was it his fault he couldnt go out and sign a quality defender and had to go for 2 players with release clauses?! No, it wasnt. He was left with a shambles of a team and a massive rebuilding job to do with limited resources. So, He didnt just over look the problem, He actually brought in players for the positions we needed. He just wasnt backed by the Chairman and that resulted in his tenure being a failure.PLG thought he could rely on J-rod to continue playing well, That didnt happen as J-rod become a liability at the back. Big Soti was not offered a new deal by McLeish and left just before PLG took over. The main 2 centre backs of the previous season, Were either off form or out the door.PLG also didnt have the luxury of calling in a favour from his mates at Everton. Dave Weir, Bought himself out of his contract in order to help Walter out. A similar deal with Big Ugo was thrashed out. As Walter looked to shore up a defence that had been shaky, But had conceeded very few goals in the SPL. PLG could not have signed Weir or Ugo, as they wouldnt have been so keen to buy out their contracts and besides PLG was trying to build a team for the future, Not taking us backwards by signing a 34 and 37 year old. When both these players leave next season, we have to build all over again. Walter is bringing in stop gaps and bosmans. It will work short term, But will kill us long term.You've made a good case why PLG was the wrong man for the job to be honest. He didn;t exactly set the French league on fire when he went to PSG did he? Barely survived.Frankly, I'm tired of this issue since it is so divisive. Get over it... he's gone. Walter is here. Let's get behind Walter and the team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dillinger 0 Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 You've made a good case why PLG was the wrong man for the job to be honest. He didn;t exactly set the French league on fire when he went to PSG did he? Barely survived.Frankly, I'm tired of this issue since it is so divisive. Get over it... he's gone. Walter is here. Let's get behind Walter and the team.I would love to dismiss this matter but you're missing the point.The issue was once again re-opened by Barry Ferguson's reaction to a proposed book, not by anyone suddenly raising the matter. The Club Captain made a song and dance about a trivial matter that should have been a 'no comment'I'm not interested about Le Guen or PSG, I have no disagreement with Le Guen's unsuitability (although let's not overstate how 'complex' the Scottish League is) but the lack of resources that hampered Le Guen haven't vanished overnight. And neither have any of the alleged disciplinary issue, or Ferguson's suitability as Club Captain or damage to RFC reputation and the criticism of David Murray's leadership.Ferguson simply cannot have it both ways. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooper1989 0 Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 Barry is a brilliant footballer -- but he's immature and he and his family should keep their mouths shut. No arguments from me on that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robinsonmetcalf 0 Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 Here's the obvious point to do with the future - which has nothing to do with the past. Walter Smith will not go on forever. Rangers have no money, will have no money in the foreseeable future barring major investment which looks unlikely. What will we do in that situation? The answer should be to do what Murray did at the time in hiring PLG: take on a coach of european or international status (no reason why he cant be scottish) who can coach a team of players of roughly medium ability and get them a team to play at a level that is greater than the sum of their parts. For that is the standard of players we can afford.But we would have to give the coach time - which is what the highly friable Rangers support (the term was often used of the Celtic support in their days of crisis but is now equally appropriate for us) did not do when Le Guen was coach. Rangers supporters should wake up and smell the coffee. There is no money now or in the foreseeable future: Murray knows even spending some of his own is not going to make much of a dent on the gap between Rangers and the top sides in the EPL or europe; investors are not going to happen - investors who are rangers supporters are still investors who are not a charity for rangers.We should learn from the PLG experience and if we are lucky enough to hire someone of similar status (unlikely after that fiasco) recognize that there will be teething difficulties and give the person time. What happened this season over PLG was disgracefulBut will we do that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davie_bluenose 20 Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 Here's the obvious point to do with the future - which has nothing to do with the past. Walter Smith will not go on forever. Rangers have no money, will have no money in the foreseeable future barring major investment which looks unlikely. What will we do in that situation? The answer should be to do what Murray did at the time in hiring PLG: take on a coach of european or international status (no reason why he cant be scottish) who can coach a team of players of roughly medium ability and get them a team to play at a level that is greater than the sum of their parts. For that is the standard of players we can afford.But we would have to give the coach time - which is what the highly friable Rangers support (the term was often used of the Celtic support in their days of crisis but is now equally appropriate for us) did not do when Le Guen was coach. Rangers supporters should wake up and smell the coffee. There is no money now or in the foreseeable future: Murray knows even spending some of his own is not going to make much of a dent on the gap between Rangers and the top sides in the EPL or europe; investors are not going to happen - investors who are rangers supporters are still investors who are not a charity for rangers.We should learn from the PLG experience and if we are lucky enough to hire someone of similar status (unlikely after that fiasco) recognize that there will be teething difficulties and give the person time. What happened this season over PLG was disgracefulBut will we do that?At the end of the day PLG made a rod for his own back with his team selections, ignorance of the scottish game, and unable to keep the dressing room together.In the end he wasn't forced out, he simply wanted out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
come on the gers 0 Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 At the end of the day PLG made a rod for his own back with his team selections, ignorance of the scottish game, and unable to keep the dressing room together.In the end he wasn't forced out, he simply wanted out. :tu: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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