BigSlim

but how do YOU know that the guys they are after only reacted to police violence you seem to pick and choose what info you want, if i get a doing whether it be from a ned or the police i go and report it, i dont go out looking for said policeman/ned and give him a doing back as that makes me as bad as them. Shop the fuckers i say. i dont that s the point were supposed to accept everything thats been PRESENTED to us and i for one dont. i understand the main culprits and im no gonna castigate a few Bears because the GMP want a pound of flesh no way

I think the point is pretty clear. The actions of overly violent coppers are only relevant to those people who were acting in self defence and these people will be cleared in a court of law in any case. Evidently you do, as I suspected, subscribe to nonsensical conspiracy theories about stitch ups, GMP being out to get us, the courts being corrupt or whatever else (tell me which is correct) so it's no surprise you don't see the logic in that point. Incidentally, the provocation of "being sold beer and treated violently" isn't a defence for violence - it's an explanation. As I've said, the sins of others are no defence whatsoever for the sins of those people (fans, infiltrators, wandering neds, whoever they may have been) who broke the law: it is in fact completely irrelevant. These attempts at deflection are always made in debates like this and they are never convincing. It's the old "aye, he robbed the bank, but what about all those murderers and rapists out there who the police haven't caught - shouldn't they be focusing on them?" argument. the GMP force are the most corrupt and most violent in the uk and thats saying something some of those areas in England have police forces that make me think we should open all the cells in the Bar L and give them the police gear and we would have a better service. the GMP omg the GMP even x coppers are lining up to beret those thugs yes the beer thing is an explanation and not a defence so is there a zillion miles between explanation and defence is there? as for the rapist etc that have been caught well done the public usually after watching the likes of crime watch for dubbing them in - THIS IS NOT SUCH A CASE DONT BE GRASSING ON THOSE BEARS

so just throw a dozen or so Bears to the lions will make it all better. no matter whether they were provoked and beaten? Im with most and think the vast majoriyt of people fighting the Police where from casuals from all over the place but if we know one or two of them to be Bears weve to grass them just to keep the press off and the police happy fuck it not me and i repeat dont be grassing on those Bears It's pretty obvious that this is your thread and seem to want to defend a few thugs that took part that day so that's what you should do. Just don't expect others to agree, some of the pics and video I saw were disgraceful and the self defense thing doesn't wash. Any one with any sense would have tried their best to get the hell away from the away from the trouble not be running to it. I don't doubt the police were not entirely innocent but this is about our club and it's future in competitions and away travel. True Bears went to see a game not find an excuse for having a go at the cops or the general public. wrong i dont wanna defend thugs i just dont see how Bears can be really blamed when so many people PAID to make sure things go off smoothly and enjoyable dont do there jobs and as a result things inevitabley go off why are we to all castigate a few bears who reacted to police violence. especially as its clear that most without even a rangers top caused most of the organised stuff what i mean is that only when the 'fans' outnumbered the police did they take a doing yet its clear those 'groups' werent even wearing tops. but shop a few bears who no doubt took a kicking and reacted and everything will go away we ll exonerated and peace will return to our fanbase etc yes some will be rangers fans and some will have been looking for trouble but that ll be a minority a very small minority the thugs from different parts of the uk wont be known to our fanbase and will get off while some guy that you dont like next door will get shopped because HES BOUDN TO BE A HOLIGAN! smacks of casting a few cubs to the lions etc as for the police that got beaten on the ground i hold by what ive alreadys said and you have said nothing to show im wrong have you?

they showed a scene where a copper got a doing while lying down did they show you pics of Bears walking off quite innocently and getting laid into by big coppers with batons? Did they show you the smiles on there faces while they were doing it what you saw and what happened arent always the same thing Make your case for all these overly zealous coppers being prosecuted by all means, but it's no defence whatsoever for the people who, of their own accord, decided to run amock and cause damage to innocent bystanders and their property. Some will have been acting in self defence and these people are essentially innocent* but that is evidently not the case for everyone and it would be ridiculous to try and pretend that it is given some of the footage - 10 people mindlessly smashing up somebody's car then posing for photos, a copper getting the sh*t kicked out of him while he's lying on the ground, etc. ------- *As would be proven in a court of law, unless you subscribe to nonsensical conspiracy theories about stitch ups and whatever else. so your point is? that you have faith in the courts and think justice will prevail thats not the real world i live in Treat people violently and they'll act violently sell them beer at over inflated prices and treat them violently and they will act violenty and yobbish like to boot! a copper getting beat up seems to have upset you do you think Rangers fans didn't lay on the ground curling up while big boots NO SANNIES MIND BIG BOOTS got tore in and any movement to get up resulted in the batons being cracked over the nut do you

so just throw a dozen or so Bears to the lions will make it all better. no matter whether they were provoked and beaten? Im with most and think the vast majoriyt of people fighting the Police where from casuals from all over the place but if we know one or two of them to be Bears weve to grass them just to keep the press off and the police happy fuck it not me and i repeat dont be grassing on those Bears

Good point. Naw its no It s not grassing that s wrong it s grassing those in Manchester when you dont have all the information and cant possibly know what led to the point of them acting badly your missing the point Kai Sorry Slim you're the one missing the point. You honestly think the police are looking high and low for these guys, without having evidence already in place? Every one of them will be on cctv at some point committing some sort of offence. Why else would they want to 'speak' to them? And as for this 'no-grassing' bollocks, you'll find that the Cltic fans didn't grass on the f*ckers who threw lighters and coins and a mobile phone at our players. I'd rather uphold the honesty and decency of Rangers FC, than be tarred along with that scum from the east end. Im sure they will have 'evidence' but some evidence is 'at hand' and some is 'taken from others that have it at hand'. having faith in coppers is very niaive and its a dif kettle of fish with the 'lighters' thing thats as straight forward as the 'coin' throwing at Pitoddrie both should have got grassed in by just falling behind these terms 'honesty and decency fo RFC' doesnt make us honest and decent just makes us stupid not sure about you but ill not be going down that road

Good point. Naw its no It s not grassing that s wrong it s grassing those in Manchester when you dont have all the information and cant possibly know what led to the point of them acting badly your missing the point Kai

let the courts decide ffs Lots of cameras there and lots confiscated seen it before, the police get ladled in and one of them is on the look out for incrimination evidence if they see a fan with a camera it s a excuse to get tore in to you too saw it in Spain too.. in a perfect word pal

May be he d pay you to do his wife what does she look like ive got a hard on just now if shes quick and not toooo bad looking i ll do her she can pay me later

and what about the people who where running about smashing up cars and things like that, where they just doing it in retaliation? im not gonna grass but if they got caught i wont be very sympathetic. treat people like animals and what will they do treat people in a fair manner and BEFOREHAND make provisions for all there needs and you get a beautiful event enjoyed by all 25 toilets in one area for thousands of people and still were getting the black pr about rangers fans pishing in the street how dare they could they not hold it in til they got back to Glasgow? these pics are just an attempted smokescreen for two things 1 there council not getting it right and there police being the usual heavy handed animals that they are. The only reason clubs have thugs following them is the y could not get into the police

Am i really not being clear enough? Those people who purposely caused trouble have brought shame to the club and I'd be happy not to have them back at Ibrox. Those who faught back against police brutality are in a seperate catagory and their actinos should be judged within that context. two different things here Kevin 1 you should grass fellow fans up if its clear what happened like when our fans tossed coins at that aberdeeen game a while back or like if theres racist language do it grass them up 2 different in manchester there was many reasons for things kicking off and at the end of the day rangers fans were treated terribly any club with a decent PR system would have been in the papers next day asking all bodies to exclude manchester from hosting big events thats what Celtic would have done we are PR fannies plain and simple

they showed a scene where a copper got a doing while lying down did they show you pics of Bears walking off quite innocently and getting laid into by big coppers with batons? Did they show you the smiles on there faces while they were doing it what you saw and what happened arent always the same thing

Agree with your comments thought Mendes wasnt that good with corners etc so maybe those who had a pop at Fleck for taking them will now understand why. had Ferguson made those passes you talked about in a Selic game we d have 3 or 4 players out with long term injuries but just glad Falkirk played a passing game so no real damage Broadfoot looked pretty cumbersome at times and you can see why Hutton was miles better HE took the ball to the byeline and was much quicker as well. novo was excellent but im still of the opinion that Smith is right using him mainly for the last 25 minutes

try saying that after a copper has landed a couple of blows with a baton - lots of them had two choices 1 run and get the shit beaten out of you or 2 fight back your no very empathetic i suppose when you have suffered a few blows you ll then come on and say you were wrong. i know some casuals might have been involved but for the sake of decent Rangers fans who were attacked and reacted the CORRECT way dont grass them up if you do then its you that brings shame on the club I don't know any in the pictures so I don't know if they were fighting or fleeing...and neither do you. You can't say "dont grass because they were just fighting back" when you dont know. If anyone knows the people in the pictures and they were fighting and causing trouble then I'd urge you to shop them and rid the troublemakers from this club. rubbish ffs you dont know if they were reacting to Police violence or just thugs looking for trouble - so you advice people to shop them thats big of you

when two or three coppers get landed into you and you take a real beating and then you walk away and see a copper down on his own what would reaction be i say fuck the police in the main the got what they deserved and they should have taken a bigger beaten most of them staggered home the following night after having a good swally and reliving how they beat the fuck out of Rangers fans dont grass them up if you know there Rangers fans

try saying that after a copper has landed a couple of blows with a baton - lots of them had two choices 1 run and get the shit beaten out of you or 2 fight back your no very empathetic i suppose when you have suffered a few blows you ll then come on and say you were wrong. i know some casuals might have been involved but for the sake of decent Rangers fans who were attacked and reacted the CORRECT way dont grass them up if you do then its you that brings shame on the club

the council in Manchester along with the Police themselves were more to blame than Rangers fans dont be grassing them up for fighting back against the thugs of the police

NO hes got more maturity than most of those in the team that has 10-15 year on him If he keeps that attitude he ll be a legend at ibrox

I dont think we should be slaughtering teams but any half decent coach would've got Rangers the points there. he cant change tactics during a game all we had to do was go hell for leather and get a goal or two then we could have played this so called tactical game of smothering a match maybe even hitting on the break another thing is he keeps playing Ferguson when its clear to all and sundry that outside of international games hes putting forth zero in terms of effort. dont give me owt about him being out for a while with injury hes had enough time and we need to get him out the team right away. hes here collecting money and seeing out his carreeer, with the ocasional upturn when ti comes time for the scotland team. he has to go. and so does smith

people are entitled to have their say why should the do as you want.

As long as fergusons not in it im not to bad

good point we saw that against dundee utd away we seem to be able to go up the gears but cant change from the tactic we set out with it would be okay to go out with attack attack attack and after scoring a goal or two settle into that borring draw mentality but ws can't do that start with the tactic finish with it - no inbetweens no variation thats why hes a pish manager!

that ll be the line we come away with when meeting the smelly tims - dont make it right though mate.

task is doubly hard had we won the jitters would've been all over the Midden, now they'll have confidence and patience and there wont be any real pressure walter smith you truley are a tactical fool why oh why didn't you get tore in. It should not be a surprise he did the same shit bag thing when Falkirk went a man down - play it safe.

id have loved to be wrong but with WS in charge theres no way we ll win this league without him, well it may now be too late walter please fuck off and take that other brown noser Mccoist with you.