BTW. I find a lot of what's been said in this topic utter rubbish. If you don't watch Loovens week in week out you wouldn't know how good he is, he is only 22 and he is one of the top defenders in the championship. He would EASILY make it in the premiership, I've seen great defenders here come and go .. (Gabbidon, Collins etc) and Loovens is the best of them all.