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Gash07

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  1. Of course fighters don't have the benefit of hindsight, I completely agree. That means that Joe gets credit for finally manning up and taking what was perceived to be a test, a real test. Unfortunately when assessing a fighters career hindsight is legitimately used to gauge the value of a victory. With respect, only a fool would argue to the contrary.

    It works both ways though, like when Pascal beat Dawson. If Lacy had went on to have a glittering career it would have reflected positively on Calzaghe. Again, unfortunately, Lacy was proven to be a hype job without one notable win on his record, hence the victory is correctly devalued.

    In Butes case we don't have that benefit, I very much doubt he'll turn out as bad as poor old Jeff but we'll wait and see, like I said, it doesn't make a great deal of difference to the overall argument anyway.

  2. thank you, you just proved my point at laughing off his win over Jeff Lacy, when the hype round that win, at the time, was the same as Frochs win over Bute. At the time Lacy was big time, coming over from US, hyped up and an unbeaten world champ. On 1 hand you might argue Calzaghe ruined him, on the other you could say he was never really good in the first place....

    see what im saying here? whats the difference between Lacy & Bute? Both were unbeaten world champions, and if Bute's career goes on the downward from here we could end up looking at it the same light. Same with Mario Veit, he was something like 32W-0L i'm sure when Joe beat him.

    Proved your point? What that Jeff lacy was a pile of pish and Bute might be? That's not a point that's a piece of total speculation.

    On the off chance than Bute is as bad as Lacy, it makes little difference to the fact that Froch has had a better career.

  3. It says a lot when your attempting to pad Calzaghes record out with knockout artist Jeff Lacy lol.

    Whichever way you slice it Joe has 2 significant wins, 1 was 40 years old and the other Froch may yet beat if he hasn't already.

    The records just don't compare, Joe hid in the Valleys for too long.

  4. what don't you know? We know how good Calzaghe was, thats ridiculous. Don't get me wrong, i'm also a big fan of Froch aswell, i was just proving the point that i can assisinate Froch's record as easily as anyone who tries to assisinates Joes. imho though, people confuse Frochs attitude, heart and will (which he has in abundance) with skill, which in comparison to the Wards, Hopkins & Calzaghes of this world, he is a level behind.

    We don't know because in general he fought weak opposition.

    The argument is, who has had the better career, skill does not = career.

  5. Whatever anyone thinks about boxing, there just isnt enough Carl Froch's out there anymore. A guy who puts it all on the line, never shirks a challenge. I mean who these days would make the first defence of their title away from home against the former undisputed middleweight champion? Just doesnt happen anymore. I for one have more respect for Carl Froch than maybe any other active boxer on the planet right now. The guy is just a fighter.

    Very true, a throw back to yesteryear. What a sport we'd have if a few of the other top fighters even had a fraction of his balls.

  6. Calzaghes win over Kessler is better than Frochs win over Pascal, considering that Kessler is a better fighter with a better record.

    Calzaghe's 'Ward' was Bhop. He boxed his ears off. I'd still fancy BHop to be too slick and savvy for Froch even now, he'd probably do to Froch what Ward did to him. We'll have to disagree on the Kessler one, Froch lost that fight imo by a couple of rounds. I also had Dirrell winning against him, and Taylor was also well ahead on the cards.

    That's pretty much it from Calzaghes end, Kessler and Hopkins.

    Pretty thin in comparisons with Carl Frochs CV. Currently one of the best in all of boxing, regardless of any asterisk you try to add.

    Calzaghe could have had a better list of victims, maybe he was that good we'll never know. He lacked the confidence for years, if you haven't already, read his bio, it's painfully clear.

    Froch does not suffer from this hindrance, clearly.

  7. Froch's best win is Bute, who if we're being honest has already been knocked out by Andrade.

    He got an MD against Johnson who has won about as many as he has lost in his last 30 fights.

    He lost to Dirrel if we are being honest.

    Abraham & Taylor have never been world champions at 168 and prime divisions were 160.

    He lost to Kessler.

    He out of his depth and outclassed vs Ward.

    Dont get me wrong, im a big fan of Froch, he deserves credit for such an intense run of opponents who are all world level, but his results & performances have been a mixed bag, and at no point could you ever make the case for him being the no.1 in the division. Calzaghe on the other hand simply found a way to beat everyone, including a prime, unbeaten Kessler.

    Frochs best win is Pascal. Followed by Bute, Dirrel, Abraham, Johnson & Taylor.

    Joe just doesn't have that Calibre on his record.

    If the Kessler fight was anywhere but Denmark, Froch would have got the decision.

    Joe has 1 win against prime world class opposition. Carl has Multiple.

    You talk about mixed bag of performance from Froch, go rewatch Calzaghe v Reid, Thornberry, starie etc. He struggled regularly with less than world class opposition. The same cannot be said about Froch.

    Bute "found a way" to get the win against Andrade then sparked him in the rematch.

  8. Not to knock TBK but they were on the scene the whole time and there were still huge inconsistencies with their bid after 3/4 months

    Likewise, they refused to name their 'Knights' until their really annoying and bitter, 'we're out' press conference - I suppose Green could maybe take something from this - ie. it's hard to get the fans onside if they don't know who is involved in their consortium?

    I think the majority will wait to see what happens with this CVA before making their decisions. I do fear that an unsuccessful CVA and Green might struggle to get the fans backing, regardless of whatever he does

    I'm more worried about " the money is sitting in an account ready to go" , "20 investors" claims, followed by missed first payment of funds.

    All too familiar bluster.

  9. I don't think the warning signs are much of anything though. There's a great overreaction to the money put in being a loan when it's common practice, it's not anything like being in debt to HMRC, Lloyds, Ticketus etc, football clubs all over are in debt to people that own them.

    The consortium stuff seems like people looking at his initial forecasts and taking it like some kind of promise, when situations with investors change all the time.

    He's only been on the scene 5 minutes and already there are a number of inconsistencies.

    Already?

    We surely cannot back him until things are clarified.

  10. Just because some aren't assuming the worst and jumping to conlusions doesn't mean they aren't cautious.

    I'm not suggesting anyone jumps to conclusions, I haven't drawn my own on Green yet.

    All I'm saying is the warning signs are there, again. There should be no benefit given where doubt arises on this occasion.

    As above, the answers shouldn't be difficult.

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