Paisleybear1872

Awk this victim patter is boring now. Literally replied in detail to you personally about how your assumptions on the views of the UB are wrong, where you could've replied and spoke about it rationally. Instead you randomly asked how many UB have been charged under the OBFA and carried on saying the same shit. So ignore it if you wish and keep making stupid assumptions instead of having a rational conversation.

Impossible to give an exact number because that spans over many years involving a lot of different people and we don't keep a running counter. But having an educated guess I would say atleast 30/40 people involved with the UB have been charged. Not quite sure the relevance.

I honestly don't think the UB are alone in the support for not letting fellow fans get arrested, but you've a lot assumptions towards what the UB think mate. When it happens the group complain about the actions of the police in terms of their behaviour toward football fans in general, because although we are a "group" we are still just football supporters like anyone else in the stand. We don't think we are the only football fans hassled by the police which is the reason why we do our best to bring attention to poor police behaviour wherever it happens. We are used to having police attention and dealing with it, in that sense we are fortunate when compared with another fan on his own who may not be so used to it; which isn't a nice thought. Any issue with police behaviour highlighted by the group are issues that are affecting the full support - which is why we are highlighting them. The Offensive Behaviour at Football Act is a perfect example. Because of this it is true that the group obviously faces extra focus from the police. It's pretty undeniable that the group faces regular attention at football from Football Intelligence and FoCUS (Football Coordination Unit for Scotland). I think football fans suffer from draconian laws and at times strict over policing which ruins a lot of what is good about football games. But not in a fantasy world where the above only applies to the UB.

This is what I mean, you spoke as if it was a problem today and you bring up Annan at Ibrox in 2012 . From your posts I really don't think you know much at all about the ways in which Rangers liaise with the group and what it inolves, which is great but just strange to pretend you have knowledge on it and that BF1 'faces threat of closure'. What makes that funny is that is honestly so far from the truth so probably should just leave this at that.

The council could never bill Rangers for people sticking stickers on streets just because the stickers are Rangers related, anyone with a brain knows that is bullshit. That is just more bullshit again. BF1 is in no serious danger of closing, thanks. Saturday was the first incident I can remember happening for years but you're speaking like it's a regular thing. Do you work for Rangers ?

Rational. We support the same team, we sing the same songs.

I'm the only member of the UB in this thread and I'm not in a huff, all of my replies have only discussed the issues and misconceptions other people have brought up and I've tried to answer them to help clear it up. Please stop acting like anyone else is spitting the dummy out.

Nobody from the UB has bashed you or the rest of the support, so I'm not sure why you are saying that because that isn't a fact at all. The UB don't need to bash anyone to make the group feel better, we're happy enough knowing ourselves that we do the best we are capable of. All I've done is responded to all the clear misconceptions about the UB's song choice, megaphone, speaker and views towards the atmosphere in the ground. I'm more than happy to have rationale conversations about the group and all of those things. I also don't believe PRW is contradicting himself. He said the atmosphere is shite in terms of the whole of Ibrox, because it is even with our best efforts. He seems to think the UB create an atmosphere as well but that is restricted to that part of the ground. Not really a contradiction at all and not a great deal the group can do but try to encourage the rest of the stadium to join in.

The drum is used to keep the section in time and going at the same speed because it's very common for people to end up singing at different times and that becomes a rabble. So to help that we use the drum and it works, nothing to do with sound really.

It's pretty simple really, a megaphone is used so the back of the section sings the same song as the front of the section and two songs don't start at once creating a rabble, which is what would happen in one section. Aye, the megaphone is used to encourage people to sing cause they're fucking sitting in the SINGING SECTION It's so simple. If your in the section and not into then that's perfectly cool, probably shouldn't have chose to sit in the designated singing section though and probably should think about relocating, cause BF1 is anything but a good view. For all the other posts about the drum, it is used to keep the section in time, it's completely common for songs to completely run away with people singing at different times. Not really what we would be after if we can help it so we use a drum and it works. Never heard so much pish in my life that a drum can ruin a football song. If songs at the football started organically and were like they were 30 years ago everyone in the UB would be buzzing about that. The group would love nothing more than for the Copland to be like a Kop that actually sings and for the rest of Ibrox to join in with all of the rangers and loyalist songs. We're dealing with the reality now though, and the atmosphere was long gone before the group was created. So currently we have a section of 500 that does its best to create as best an atmosphere it possibly can on a regular matchday. Of course songs start from other parts of the stadium on bigger games, nothing new to football and exclusive to Rangers, certainly no stain on us as a group either.

My point is Rangers Easy OK is a old song and not a so called "ultra" song . Nobody sings any type of song at ibrox on a regular match day, apart from maybe twice a game, that's the point and the problem. Unfortunately there's no one type of song that would get Ibrox singing, it literally doesn't exist. If it was as easy as the forum posts make out BF1 would be more than happy to sing songs that the rest of Ibrox participate in, but unfortunately there are no specific songs that the full of Ibrox would join in with on a regular matchday, that's the reality we're faced with.

Banging your head against a wall at this point but that's just simply not true in the slightest. There is no "traditional" rangers songs we don't sing and very, very few loyalist songs we don't sing (given the cameras and police attention is entirely focused on us).

Irony of the songbook debate summed up that you are complaining about two completely different types of songs. You have a personal preference, so again that's why the songbook is mixed cause there is no one specific type that would create an atmosphere outside BF1 on an average matchday.

For the record there is no "traditional" Rangers songs that we don't sing, we literally sing it all. It's completely untrue and I'd love to hear of the Rangers songs we don't sing that the full of Ibrox would join in with. In my honest opinion it's nothing more than a cliche post now on these threads to say that BF1 doesn't sing "traditional" Rangers songs and doesn't sing loyalist songs - if it was as simple as only singing loyalist songs to get an atmosphere in Ibrox we would sing them for the full 90 minutes every week. Our songbook is mixed because the truth is there is no specific songbook that will suddenly get the rest of Ibrox joining in, its just pretending or out of touch with the reality to say that there is.

What? They certainly were. Even more so given the talent they had at their disposal.

Don't see the problem, they got boo'd off and cheered back on for the second half, its hardly personal, its to let them know that level of performance is unacceptable when we are supposed to be in a title race with Celtic. That first half performance was fucking woeful and miles and miles off the pace. Its nothing to do with getting beat 1-0, football is football and defeats happen, its the fact that their level of performance was nowhere near good enough - the players are much better than what they were showing in that game. New team is nothing more than a poor excuse when 9 of the 11 players were in our team last year. Celtic beat this mob 5-0, we didn't even create a shot on target in the first half - infact the only real chance we got was the one they gifted us.

What? Apart from when he got himself through on goal twice, and nearly made it 3 on one of those occassions? The whole team was annonymous after 70 minutes pretty much, but you've picked on the two players who created the most chances during the game haha.

Wallace made a lot more dangerous chances going forward than Tavernier did today, thought Tavernier was pretty sloppy with the ball.

Fuck sake haha, he was fine today. Better than Wilson anyway who looks like he could literally lose the ball at any given moment.

Plenty of chance in the midfield at the moment I would say, we're not settled so its up for grabs. With the way the defence is though there is a chance he can do a job there too of course.

Cheers to all who assisted us in this, turned out well, just a shame about the result. For those interested in the 'back by unpopular demand' t-shirts which sold out from 160 in 10 minutes, pre-order information should be on our Facebook soon, along with details of future sales on match-days.

Nice one. They will be on sale from outside the belrock at 10.30-11.30 on Saturday. Any left over will be sold at the stall the following home game, and if they sell-out whilst a demand remains high it's quite possible we will re-order more for the stall in the future. Cheers mate, appreciated.

Chill out mate fs, haha.

Patter. Recycled patter from this thread at that, the worst kind.

Bump for this. Spread the word and come along if you can make this. Leaving at 11.30 on Cornwall street next to the Bellrock Bar, just of PRW. Our 'back by unpopular demand' t-shirts will also be available from 10.30-11.30 at this meeting point for just £5.