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  1. I've just received my reply today relating to the match on 10th Sept.

    I just thought I'd throw it in here and you can decide whether you want to read it or not...I'm getting a bit bored with it all myself to be honest. Anyway, here it is and pouring yourself a cuppa, or cracking open a beer (a can of the black nectar is recommended), is advisable before you start reading it as it's quite lengthy (and laughable too). I've had to cut and paste which included tables etc so it's not perfect, but you can read it fine.

    My letter of complaint...

     

    Dear sir/madam,

    Before I state the reason for contacting you today, I think I should mention that I've been committing the same crime over and over during the last 50 years. My crime? Supporting Rangers Football Club. Having been born in Glasgow, both myself and many of my fellow fans truly feel like second class citizens in our own country. That used to be Scotland, perhaps that should now read Republic of Scotland.

    We are dehumanised on a daily basis and neither Police Scotland, our government and the wee Jimmy Krankie lookalike from Hollyrood, or our football authorities do anything to stop it. You are all toothless tigers and you are all complicit of the same offence, while some have bigger agendas than others. The terrorist loving IRA supporters can do no wrong, sticking the proverbial two fingers up with impunity on a regular basis, while Rangers fans are subjected to ridicule from all quarters.

    The 10h of September 2016, Celtic v Rangers and the vile supporters of this vile club manage to surpass themselves, which is quite a feat. Effigies depicting the executions of a Rangers supporter and a member of The Orange Order with their hands bound behind their back, hanging there for all to see, including TV cameras. What a disgusting thing to do by any human being and that disgust will be felt around the world by those who were unfortunate enough to view it (see attachments).

    The scum perpetrators were able to take these into the ground, take ample time to prepare their stunt and hang them over the stand in full view of CCTV cameras within the ground under the banner 'This is it bhoys, This is war. All the while you turn a blind eye to it and this being National suicide awareness day as well. Absolutely pathetic.

    Where were Police Scotland? Posted missing again as per Scottish Cup Semi-Final? Perhaps you were too busy filming Rangers fans again when the real crimes were going on all around you. Why did it take so long to react and has there been any arrests for this crime? All the relevant information can be easily gathered, so I expect arrests for this today. You take a lot of money from football clubs and you seem to do sod all to earn it. Yet more incompetence from Police Scotland.

    I do realise that you may be somewhat limited in the information you can furnish me with, but you can certainly supply me with your assessment of what took place and how Police Scotland is meant to deal with these situations.

    Also, I'd like to know if it would be okay should Rangers fans do something similar when the terrorist loving IRA sympathisers visit Ibrox. They had a banner saying H** scum. What if we did likewise only replacing the offensive word H** for fenian, so it would read fenian scum. Surely that would be acceptable as that is in fact the word they use to describe themselves?

    We wouldn't stoop so low as to have two effigies hanging from one of our stands of course. That really is as disgusting as it gets. I'm still stunned as to how this was allowed to happen, but can you tell me how long it would take to attract attention from you if it were a priest and the pope hanging from a stand? Would that be acceptable? If not, then why weren't the offending items removed immediately as any sane and decent human being would wish?

    Also, why was no action taken when the Rangers manager was constantly being called “a sad orange bastard”? What do you guys do apart from film Rangers fans?

    Lastly, why are there no arrests when there's an IRA karaoke at EVERY Celtic away game yet Rangers supporters can get arrested for a ten second burst of The Billy Boys (even though other clubs have their own version of this and they sing it with no threat of being arrested)?

    Thanking you in anticipation, I look forward to receiving your reply.

     

    Yours sincerely,

     

     

    ...and the Chief Inspector of Police Scotland's reply

    Greater Glasgow Division

    Glasgow City Centre Police Office

    50 Stewart Street

    Glasgow

    G4 0HY

    Tel No: 101

     

    Dear Mr

    COMPLAINT ABOUT THE POLICE – POLICING OF CELTIC v RANGERS FIXTURE

    I refer to your e-mail of 12 September 2016 regarding the policing of the recent football match between Glasgow Celtic and Glasgow Rangers football clubs, which took place on Saturday, 10 September 2016, at Celtic Park.

    As the Senior Officer with responsibility for investigating Complaints about the Police within Greater Glasgow Division, your complaint has been passed to my department in order that I may respond to you.

    Your complaint has been assessed as a Quality of Service Complaint, in that the complaint essentially relates to how Police Scotland deployed officers and handled the policing of the event and some of the issues which arose during the event. As you may well be aware, there is now a criminal investigation being conducted by Police Scotland. The investigation is focusing on identifying those individuals who committed criminal acts during the match and ensuring that they are brought to justice as quickly as possible.

    Before I address this particular match, please allow me to explain the roles and responsibilities of the various organisations involved in the preparation, planning, crowd management and safety issues connected with major sporting events.

     

    THE ROLE OF THE CLUB

    Ensuring the safety of supporters is a key objective of all football clubs and it is ultimately their desire that all supporters, regardless of which team they support, conduct themselves appropriately and do not represent a risk to themselves or any other person attending the match.

    Each club or venue has an appointed Safety Officer who has overall responsibility for the safety and security operation during football fixtures. It is the role of the Safety Officer to manage the event and ensure the safety of all those attending.

     

    THE ROLE OF STEWARDS

    Along with the Safety Officer, each club or venue employs Stewards who are also responsible for ensuring that the safety of the crowd is not compromised by the behaviour of others. Stewards also enforce the ground regulations and ticket conditions before, during and after the match.

    The ticket conditions allow Stewards and Police Officers to search any person entering the stadium and the football club has the right to refuse entry to anyone attending a fixture who does not comply with these conditions and rules. The content of the ticket conditions can be found on the rear of all printed tickets and the ground regulations can also be located on the club’s website.

     

    THE ROLE OF POLICE SCOTLAND

    The primary objective of the Police at football fixtures is to support the club officials and Stewards and thereby minimise any risk to public safety and public order. Generally, this support will extend to assisting Stewards with crowd control and supporting Stewards who are dealing with unruly or non-compliant supporters. The ultimate role of the Police is to be present and in a position to take over should some unforeseen event or emergency necessitate the need for it.

    It is also the duty of all Police Officers to prevent and detect crime, and Police Officers are expected to intervene and arrest persons when it is both practicable and safe to do so. Many incidents are better dealt with at a later, more appropriate time. This is a decision for the Match Commander, who is an experienced Senior Police Officer.

    The final role for Police Scotland is to ensure that following any emergency or incident an investigation is undertaken and, where appropriate, to ensure that those responsible for breaches of the law are identified and reported to the Procurator Fiscal.

     

    LAWS AND REGULATIONS

    Many of the arrests and detentions made at football matches relate to drunken and offensive behaviour and generally are dealt with by use of our Common Law powers of Breach of the Peace and Section 38 of the Criminal Justice Licensing (Scotland) Act 2010.

    Additional legislation can be used if a Breach of the Peace is not considered appropriate, namely The Offensive Behaviour at Football & Threatening Communications (Scotland) Act 2012. This Act relates to conduct at regulated football matches, where a person engages in a particular course of behaviour which is or would be likely to incite public disorder.

    As you are aware, sectarian motivated conduct, whether it is singing, chanting, displaying banners or other such objects, is offensive and should not be tolerated in our society and this legislation is designed to deter this type of behaviour. The law, however, cannot be prescriptive in detailing exactly what would be defined as offensive and although guidance is available, it is ultimately for the courts to determine.

    Football governing bodies, such as the Scottish Football Association (SFA), the Scottish Professional Football League (SPFL) and Union of European Football Association (UEFA), are all able to inspect and report on any club who violate their respective statutes, regulations and decisions via the use of banners/flags etc.

    Both the football club and individuals can in fact be dealt with through both our judicial system and football organisations’ systems simultaneously and, where necessary, Police Scotland will cooperate with investigations.

    There have been a number of incidents where the conduct of several fans has been called into question on the day of an event. These are generally highlighted in social media, television and the press. Where appropriate, through the process of football governance, these issues will all come under scrutiny by the various bodies involved in the game and, where applicable, procedures and plans will continue to be altered to try and prevent similar future occurrences.

    Having provided some background to the policing and stewarding of football matches in general, I will now go on to consider the elements which were specific to this particular match.

     

    CELTIC v RANGERS FIXTURE

    The match took place at 1200 hours, on Saturday, 10 September 2016, within Celtic Park, Glasgow. The match was attended by a sell-out crowd of approximately 60,000 supporters and was televised live.

    During the match, a collection of banners were displayed within the crowd and two items, which appeared to be inflatable figures, were displayed hanging from a stand. A considerable degree of damage was caused to toilet facilities within one stand and there were also allegations of sectarian and offensive singing and chanting by both sets of supporters.

    The primary concern of both the football club and the Police during any event of this nature is the safety and security of the public who are attending the event. The policing strategy seeks to maximise public safety and minimise disorder, whilst providing an effective, proportionate and professional Police response to the event.

    On the day in question, the incidents which have been the subject of complaints and subsequent scrutiny were recognised as potentially offensive or criminal acts and were brought to the attention of the Match Commander.

    The display of banners and other objects in the crowd called upon the Match Commander to make a decision as to whether entering the crowd and removing them was necessary and proportionate or likely to cause a negative response, which could potentially have led to a more confrontational and disorderly situation.

    Equally, where singing or chanting is concerned, the appropriateness of taking action at the time is considered and a judgement made based on the prevailing circumstances. Clearly, when many hundreds of supporters engage in a particular chant the ability of the Police resources present at the time to influence or prevent this is very limited.

    Any decision to take action at such an event must be carefully considered. In some circumstances, it may be unsafe or otherwise inappropriate to make an arrest at the time of an offence. Officers must be aware that any action taken may cause a negative reaction and, in some circumstances, could destabilise the crowd. Where practical, an assessment will be made by the Match Commander as to the appropriateness of taking action at that time.

    This form of considered, measured response to a particular situation can inevitably appear to onlookers that the Police and Stewards are standing by and condoning or ignoring the conduct which may be causing offence. In fact, a number of factors are being considered by the Match Commander and the club’s Safety Officer.

    An assessment must be made as to whether any intervention is justifiable and necessary. The actions of the Police in such circumstances must always be proportionate to the actual crime or offence being committed. Any force used or likely to be required to successfully intervene in such a situation must be justifiable. Officers, including senior officers, must be able to fully justify their actions. The most common approach is to gather evidence as to the identity of the offenders and take action later.

    The damage which was caused to the toilet facilities was caused in an area of the ground which, naturally, was not covered by club CCTV. This matter is, however, the subject of a live criminal enquiry at present and any further specific comment would be inappropriate at this time.

    Whilst I appreciate that you may have been offended by the banners, inflatables, singing, chanting or other such behaviour, it was for the Match Commander, in consultation with the Safety Manager, to decide whether any intervention could have potentially caused greater harm than that of causing offence to other members of the crowd or the wider public.

    When viewed within the framework of the Strategic Intentions for policing the event, as well as the pre-planned arrest policy for such events, I find that I agree with the decisions made and the actions taken on the day. For that reason, and in the context of the information detailed above, I do not uphold your complaint.

    I am sure it will be of interest to you that a CID led enquiry is already underway with regard to instances of criminal conduct which took place at Celtic Park on 10 September 2016, with several arrests being made already for one of the more high profile incidents.

    I can assure you that Police Scotland is committed to ensuring that such major events continue to take place safely, securely and with the minimum disruption to the community in general. We take a robust view of hate crime, wherever it occurs, and I can assure you that those matters which you have raised in your complaint were not ignored and remain the subject of a focused criminal enquiry. Police Scotland will not tolerate the kind of conduct displayed by certain elements from both sets of fans and, in moving forward, will seek to learn from this incident to further improve public safety at large events.

    Mr, I appreciate that it was your perception that the Police took no action to deal with what you rightly considered to be offensive behaviour by a section of the crowd on 10 September 2016. I can assure you that this was not the case, that the matter was taken very seriously by Police Scotland and is still the subject of ongoing criminal enquiries.

    I would hope that the explanations I have provided will have given you some insight into the reasons for what you perceived to be Police inaction and an understanding of the policing approach during such events. I would also hope that I have provided you with a better understanding as to why the specific incident you have complained about was dealt with in the way it was.

    If you are not satisfied with the way in which your complaint has been handled, you may contact the Police Investigations and Review Commissioner (PIRC), 2nd Floor, Hamilton House, Caird Park, Hamilton, ML3 0QA. If you decide to contact PIRC, you must submit an application form to them within three months of the date of this letter; otherwise they may not be able to deal with your complaint.

     

    Yours sincerely


     


     


     


     


     


     


     

    Chief Inspector


     

     

     

  2. It's a terrible tragedy with a man losing his life and others injured heading off to watch their team. It's a good statement from the club regarding it. This could be the anyone. It could be the guy you sit next to watching the game, or the person who you spoke to on the way out of a game discussing the finer points.

    Condolences to the family and friends of the gentleman who sadly lost his life and best wishes for a quick recovery for anyone injured.

    You not only have the support of your family and friends, but you have the support of every fellow Rangers supporter on the planet. We are a family, whether it seems like it or not at times, but we do stick together as one when it really matters. x

     

  3. 21 hours ago, 1ClubMan72 said:

    I could only listen for 20 minutes tonight then had to turn off.

    Guys called in and mentioned they were all talking about them from other side, but they then joined in talking bout them too.

    They often says "its all about the Rangers"  great saying, but every night they must spend about 20-30 mins talking about them.

    I wont be listening in till they change. :pipe:

    I think you're well off the mark mate. You listened in to around 16-17% of the show and seem to think it's the norm for the guys to constantly talk about the manky mob. They're Rangers men through and through and it's terrific that we have a platform such as this. They're obviously going to talk at some point about them as most people would expect, especially if a caller brings the subject up, but the show is jam packed with everything relating to Rangers. The guys do a sterling job (Mon-Fri 9-11pm) and should be praised for their efforts, not slagged off for them. Listen in again a few times mate and see if you change your mind.

  4. I'll still never give up on this season op, but perhaps you may be right. The fact that we've not played (in my opinion) a decent game since the cup final. I keep waiting on things to fall into place and thought today might be it. We did play well, but we still failed to get the three points as we have done before. Maybe we expected too much in our first season back and a few of us are wrong (including me sadly).

  5. Maybe we were too full of hope. A fairy tale return if you like to take 55. I truly believed we could win the league though. I'm probably wrong at this time, but i'll never give up on the idea. We've been crap for a few...they can be crap for a few. Never give up, even if your head says so. 

    'mon The Bears!

  6. 40 minutes ago, 1ClubMan72 said:

    That's exactly what he gave to the media today in the after match presser, as soon as he said

    "If you ask me another question about that, I'm ending the interview"

    As sure as Joey Barton is trouble, and as sure as the media love a scandal, they ask Barton questions again and again.

    He gives them a story to run with and they are all delighted

    The Media 1 Rangers 0 (O.G Warburton)

    Are you for real? I mean ffs. What team do you support again? Unbelievable.

    He told the super intelligent and mega efficient/super factual Scottish media not to keep asking the same questions. Unfortunately, as they have done all through his role as Manager of the greatest club on the planet, they continued to try and 'get him to bite' - give them a story.  He mentioned that there was going to be no further questions regarding that, as is the case on many pressers/interviews and they effectively called a hallt to them by asking again. It's really not that hard to understand. 

    There should have been enough material for any halfwit reporter to keep them going for weeks, if not months anyway.

  7. 2 minutes ago, Gaz52 said:

    One thing I will say is Wilson and Hill looks like the best partnership we've had this season 

    On that showing today, you're correct. I agree with you, although not great. I'm not happy with Wilson as he's so slow. That's criminal in modern day football. But going by today, they did quite well overall. Still not what we need and the January window is going to be very important to us...no change and forget this season. that's a given.

  8. Just saw this thread and WOW. The thread states "I'm happy with the performance".

    It WAS a decent performance, certainly better then we've seen for a long time. Is that not correct? Stop looking for a reason to get on the guys back and once again being negative about the club. We've got enough clowns queuing up to do that!

    We're so fecking good at having a pop at each other yet we don't bother our ass to challenge the blatantly biased (and liars in the) media, SFA and so on and so forth. If you do you do, some say that's 'taig like' behaviour while they walk all over us. Pathetic.

    Maybe we weren't as good as we thought we were in The Championship, but it WAS a decent performance.  Is that not how you (tarriers excluded) would describe it as? We did everything but win the game and yes I know that's the most important thing and it's not good enough for us, but it's definitely an improvement, even though admittedly it's a dreadful result at home. that goes without saying.

    No Surrender (that includes the league and everything else...always).

     

  9. 2 minutes ago, K.A.I said:

    I don't think Mark is handling things well right now and feeling the pressure but he's totally correct there 

    he doesn't want to talk about it but they ask him 4 times after that?

    hes quite right 

    we shouldn't do any pressers - release our match day comments before and after the game on Rangers TV and make them take their info from there 

    I agree with that. Keep it in house going through Rangers TV and tell everyone else to sod off. Quite a few should have been chased already anyway (is that right Sheelagh McLaren - out of ten she'd still get one though, as long as she shut up about Brenda). They ask the same old same old. I actually feel embarrassed for them at times and wonder what our neighbours down South think of it all. The media are amateurs here with their own agendas and live for getting a negative story about Rangers. It doesn't matter if true, or made up, as I have become accustomed too. 

  10. I really cannot comment until someone tells me what expections means.

    If you mean expectations, then no. We did play well enough today to win a couple of games as the magic hat says. I was pleased with the improvement in performance today (not laboured, more pacy), but not the result. If you have expectations of winning the league, you really must beat Hamilton and now Ross County at home. We failed to do that and  I would imagine the league is now gone, but I'm still behind the players and staff (no ripped tights here). The results are shocking, but today the guys played well and didn't get their reward. The bottom line is that we are failing in this league but I'm a lot more confident today of us eventually going 'on a run' when the team gels, etc, etc, then I've been since the draw with Hamilton (I'm trying hard to get some positives from our season so far).

  11. A hivs fan getting the same fine, times say 5,000 fans on the pitch, all adds up to a rather hefty £2.5M.

    I wonder how much their combined fines would be and that's including assaulting our players and staff. The law really is an ass.

    From the Daily Retard

     

    Football fan fined £500 for celebrating goal with best friend (and Dons striker) Miles Storey

    16 September 2016 by Sarah Bruce

     

    A football fan paid a £500 penalty for celebrating with his footballer friend who scored in a Highland derby.

    Struan Balfour, 22, got carried away when his friend and then Inverness Caledonian Thistle player Miles Storey scored against rivals Ross County earlier this year.

    Balfour rushed on to the pitch to hoist his mate into the air and join in the celebrations. But match stewards were not impressed by Balfour’s attempt to get in on the act and chased him off the park in Dingwall on March 19.

    As he left the stadium, Balfour was arrested by police – but not before he had tweeted a photograph of his impromptu congratulations captioned: “On the pitch when Storey scores a belter in a derby is what dreams are made of.”

    Storey now plays for Aberdeen.

    Yesterday at Inverness Sheriff Court, Balfour was fined £500 after admitting a breach of the peace.

    However Sheriff John Rafferty stopped short of banning Balfour of Drumfield Road, Inverness from future football matches.

    He said: “In some way it is creditworthy he supports his local team. I feel the matter can be dealt with by the club.

    “I will instruct the Sheriff Clerk to write to the club with the details of the offence and the penalty so it can consider what action to take.”

    Defence solicitor Roger Webb told the court: “He is a keen ICT supporter and there is a peaceful rivalry between the clubs.

    “Last season, Ross County had the bragging rights and ICT were not doing well. So it came as a pleasant surprise that Caley Jags went three up.

    “My client knew the player who scored. He is very friendly with him and socialises with him. Filled with an abundance of enthusiasm, he ran on to the field to congratulate his friend.

    “There was no drink involved and when a steward approached he ran back into the stand. It wasn’t until after the match that he was arrested. The fact he was not kept in custody indicates the police didn’t treat the matter too seriously.”

    Fiscal depute Ross Carvel told the Sheriff that Balfour was the only fan to invade the pitch although fans surged forward towards the fence when the goal was scored.

    Balfour said after the court: “I got carried away when Miles scored. I won’t be doing that again. I just hope the club treats me leniently.”

     

     

     

  12. 9 minutes ago, Darius72 said:

    On Police Scotland website open:

    1.Your Community then Division bookmark on right hand side;

    2.Open:Greater Glasgow then again on right hand side you'll find a bookmark:Area Command;

    3.Open one of the Area Commands:Govan and Craigton(for example);

    4.Open again the bookmark on right hand side,named Wards-you'll get an email for that Area;

    5.Repeat 1-5 for every Area.

     

    Outstanding Darius. Really appreciated mate as it will save me a lot of hassle and a few quid too.

    It's not something I want to do, but I'm sick and tired of us getting ridiculed on a daily basis from all angles, yet the manky mob are untouchable no matter what they do or say. As stated by the guys above, I may very well be wasting my time but I'll go ahead and do so anyway. Thanks for the replies.

    In the meantime, ForeverAndEver and others of the same mind can carry on moaning about how we get treated, but continue to bite the pillow (no lube involved) as the many rats form a queue to walk all over us. You sit on your hands (and continue to complain) and I'll do what I want to do. That's fair enough isn't it? I'm not one for putting a fellow supporter down. I don't expect any praise but I certainly don't expect to get slaughtered for it either.

  13. Can you help please? I've been looking for email addys of all of the police stations in Glasgow and surrounding areas, to ask them a few questions regarding the effigies that were on display and some other stuff. It's simple enough to get contact phone numbers, but not email addresses. Emails are ideal as I can add some attachments to highlight the problem as well.

    https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=police+scotland+phone+number&rflfq=1&rlha=0&rllag=55868241,-4267878,2670&tbm=lcl&tbs=lf:1,lf_ui:4&rlfi=hd:;si:

    I can fill in a form for Police Scotland easily enough, but I really want to hit quite a lot of individual police stations to see the difference in their responses which I'm sure would be quite interesting. If no joy, I'll letter some of them but it's gonna cost me (spot the cheapskate).

    Just to add...keep the heads up lads/lassies. We've bounced back many a time in our long and illustrious history and we'll do so again. 

    NO SURRENDER!

  14. According to the so-called (Rangers hating) 'experts' it seems hardly worthwhile turning up tomorrow, especially will them having so many world class footballers in their team. 

    Play as per SC Semi-Final lads, playing them off the park again and ram it down their throats. I would have taken a draw in this game to give us more time to gel, then pump them at ours, but now I'm looking for three points and those valuable bragging rights too. We all know we can do it, but we have to improve on recent games and play as we can. 

    As for MW...love the way the guy handles himself as the Rangers manager. He's a class act and regardless of the result, he's the man. Having said that I still don't like this almost automatic sub at 60mins stuff whether we're great or garbage. That's not right. Anyway...'mon The Bears!!!

  15. 20 minutes ago, The Godfather said:

    I'd take the titles in a heartbeat.

    It would fucking kill them beating us and having fuck all to show for it.

    Thankfully we have done both more than they have.


    Always in our shadow

     

    Great question OP. I'll go along with The Godfather on this.

    What would be nice though...the score is 0-0 and we're into the last minute of injury time. Tav sends a cross in for Waggy and it gets cleared by the manky mob defence, but only as far as their 18 yard line. Barton hammers the ball on the volley and it's a wayward shot. It's heading straight for the corner flag only to rattle of Broonaldos dome, knocking him out and the ball flying high into the net for the winner. The Rangers supporters at the game and everywhere else go mental...yaaaasssss! 

    Either that, or a deflection of Millers left buttock for goal number 100 for him. 

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