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[AngelDelight 0]

I mkean look at this video from Croke Park - God Save The Queen was completely respected by the Irish support and even applaued. Can you imagine what would happen if the Irish national anthem was played at Ibrox!

Oh dear struggling somewhat angel are we not ?

The you tube video you refer to pertains to a rugby match.....Im quite certain when the irish anthem is played at Murrayfield it is generally respected.

Is it not only a few years ago we did not play the national anthem but asked the tims to respect a minute silence following the death of The Queen Mother....remind me how long did that minutes silence last ?

erm...who mentioned celtic? Celtic fans are not Irish. They think they are, but every Irishman I have met classes them as not Irish but strange people with no idea who they are. Are you denying some of our support hates all things Irish? Not a day goes by on most Rangers forums without someone having a go at Ireland.

I would refer to you to Joseph Bradley's dissertation which suggests that Celtic are in fact the primary focus for Irishness in Scotland.

Backed up by Billy Mcneils comments that Celtic are an "Irish club playing in Scotland"

But to hell with the facts.....when did you last see a Saltire flying at Parkhead. Why were thy almost almost banned (until Rangers intervention) from the Scottish league in the 50's ?

Which flags are most prominent at Parkhead and what is the origin of the songs palyed oevr the offical tannoy prior to games ?

The floor is yours angel....

Did you not read my post? I agreed that many celtic fans and part of their club think they are Irish...but travel to Ireland and most people will tell you they are not Irish. Of course they are not Irish....they are confused plastic paddies...most of them have British passports so how can they be Irish??? They think they are Irish but they are not. If I claimed I was Spanish and flew 40 Spanish flags on the roof of my house....would that make me Spanish....of course not! You should go to Ireland where you will see Man United and Liverpool are far more relevant to your average Irishman than celtic!

[The4thMusketeer 0]

I mkean look at this video from Croke Park - God Save The Queen was completely respected by the Irish support and even applaued. Can you imagine what would happen if the Irish national anthem was played at Ibrox!

Oh dear struggling somewhat angel are we not ?

The you tube video you refer to pertains to a rugby match.....Im quite certain when the irish anthem is played at Murrayfield it is generally respected.

Is it not only a few years ago we did not play the national anthem but asked the tims to respect a minute silence following the death of The Queen Mother....remind me how long did that minutes silence last ?

erm...who mentioned celtic? Celtic fans are not Irish. They think they are, but every Irishman I have met classes them as not Irish but strange people with no idea who they are. Are you denying some of our support hates all things Irish? Not a day goes by on most Rangers forums without someone having a go at Ireland.

I would refer to you to Joseph Bradley's dissertation which suggests that Celtic are in fact the primary focus for Irishness in Scotland.

Backed up by Billy Mcneils comments that Celtic are an "Irish club playing in Scotland"

But to hell with the facts.....when did you last see a Saltire flying at Parkhead. Why were thy almost almost banned (until Rangers intervention) from the Scottish league in the 50's ?

Which flags are most prominent at Parkhead and what is the origin of the songs palyed oevr the offical tannoy prior to games ?

The floor is yours angel....

Did you not read my post? I agreed that many celtic fans and part of their club think they are Irish...but travel to Ireland and most people will tell you they are not Irish. Of course they are not Irish....they are confused plastic paddies...most of them have British passports so how can they be Irish??? They think they are Irish but they are not. If I claimed I was Spanish and flew 40 Spanish flags on the roof of my house....would that make me Spanish....of course not! You should go to Ireland where you will see Man United and Liverpool are far more relevant to your average Irishman than celtic!

Tell me why they are not Irish ?

[Guest Andypendek]

I would hope that people haven't said they shouldn't come. That to me would be a ridiculous over-reaction.

[The4thMusketeer 0]

I would hope that people haven't said they shouldn't come. That to me would be a ridiculous over-reaction.

Dear Dek - where have you been for the last few years ?

We live in the world of over-reaction.

[AngelDelight 0]

I mkean look at this video from Croke Park - God Save The Queen was completely respected by the Irish support and even applaued. Can you imagine what would happen if the Irish national anthem was played at Ibrox!

Oh dear struggling somewhat angel are we not ?

The you tube video you refer to pertains to a rugby match.....Im quite certain when the irish anthem is played at Murrayfield it is generally respected.

Is it not only a few years ago we did not play the national anthem but asked the tims to respect a minute silence following the death of The Queen Mother....remind me how long did that minutes silence last ?

erm...who mentioned celtic? Celtic fans are not Irish. They think they are, but every Irishman I have met classes them as not Irish but strange people with no idea who they are. Are you denying some of our support hates all things Irish? Not a day goes by on most Rangers forums without someone having a go at Ireland.

I would refer to you to Joseph Bradley's dissertation which suggests that Celtic are in fact the primary focus for Irishness in Scotland.

Backed up by Billy Mcneils comments that Celtic are an "Irish club playing in Scotland"

But to hell with the facts.....when did you last see a Saltire flying at Parkhead. Why were thy almost almost banned (until Rangers intervention) from the Scottish league in the 50's ?

Which flags are most prominent at Parkhead and what is the origin of the songs palyed oevr the offical tannoy prior to games ?

The floor is yours angel....

Did you not read my post? I agreed that many celtic fans and part of their club think they are Irish...but travel to Ireland and most people will tell you they are not Irish. Of course they are not Irish....they are confused plastic paddies...most of them have British passports so how can they be Irish??? They think they are Irish but they are not. If I claimed I was Spanish and flew 40 Spanish flags on the roof of my house....would that make me Spanish....of course not! You should go to Ireland where you will see Man United and Liverpool are far more relevant to your average Irishman than celtic!

Tell me why they are not Irish ?

I already have about 3 times, but I will try again - they are not Irish because 95% of them were born, raised and educated in Scotland and don't have Irish passports but instead have British passports. They think they are Irish...but they are not. They are simply confused people.

as I said, I was born, raised, educated in Scotland and have a British passport....but if I then one day stated I was Spanish and flew 40 Spanish flags from my house....would that suddenly make me Spanish....nope, it would not, I would simply be a confused Scotsman.

[kplfishtank 4,677]

I mkean look at this video from Croke Park - God Save The Queen was completely respected by the Irish support and even applaued. Can you imagine what would happen if the Irish national anthem was played at Ibrox!

Oh dear struggling somewhat angel are we not ?

The you tube video you refer to pertains to a rugby match.....Im quite certain when the irish anthem is played at Murrayfield it is generally respected.

Is it not only a few years ago we did not play the national anthem but asked the tims to respect a minute silence following the death of The Queen Mother....remind me how long did that minutes silence last ?

erm...who mentioned celtic? Celtic fans are not Irish. They think they are, but every Irishman I have met classes them as not Irish but strange people with no idea who they are. Are you denying some of our support hates all things Irish? Not a day goes by on most Rangers forums without someone having a go at Ireland.

I would refer to you to Joseph Bradley's dissertation which suggests that Celtic are in fact the primary focus for Irishness in Scotland.

Backed up by Billy Mcneils comments that Celtic are an "Irish club playing in Scotland"

But to hell with the facts.....when did you last see a Saltire flying at Parkhead. Why were thy almost almost banned (until Rangers intervention) from the Scottish league in the 50's ?

Which flags are most prominent at Parkhead and what is the origin of the songs palyed oevr the offical tannoy prior to games ?

The floor is yours angel....

Did you not read my post? I agreed that many celtic fans and part of their club think they are Irish...but travel to Ireland and most people will tell you they are not Irish. Of course they are not Irish....they are confused plastic paddies...most of them have British passports so how can they be Irish??? They think they are Irish but they are not. If I claimed I was Spanish and flew 40 Spanish flags on the roof of my house....would that make me Spanish....of course not! You should go to Ireland where you will see Man United and Liverpool are far more relevant to your average Irishman than celtic!

Tell me why they are not Irish ?

I already have about 3 times, but I will try again - they are not Irish because 95% of them were born, raised and educated in Scotland and don't have Irish passports but instead have British passports. They think they are Irish...but they are not. They are simply confused people.

as I said, I was born, raised, educated in Scotland and have a British passport....but if I then one day stated I was Spanish and flew 40 Spanish flags from my house....would that suddenly make me Spanish....nope, it would not, I would simply be a confused Scotsman.

so is aiden mcgeady british passport but hes irish according to skysports when internationals are on

[The4thMusketeer 0]

I already have about 3 times, but I will try again - they are not Irish because 95% of them were born, raised and educated in Scotland and don't have Irish passports but instead have British passports. They think they are Irish...but they are not. They are simply confused people.

Are they ?

So second and third generation Scots for instance for instance in Canada have no right to declare or express their Scottishness ...despite where they were born ?

[AngelDelight 0]

so is aiden mcgeady british passport but hes irish according to skysports when internationals are on

We all know he's not really Irish...he is only Irish in the football sense...christ, every Irishman will tell you Aiden McGeady is not a real Irishman, he only got into the Irish team due too the fact his granny or something was Irish. In real terms, he is British.

Many Irish footballers over the years have not been proper Irishmen and most Irish football fans will openly admit this. Many Irish international footballers over the years had never even visited Ireland in their lives. So many non Irishman have played for Ireland due to the mass emmigration form Irelnad over the last 200 years and as a result played for Ireland due to one of their grandparents being Irish.

One of my Grandparents is Swedish...doesn't make me Swedish though does it? I could play for Sweden under FIFA riules...but we all know i'm Scottish and not Sweidsh!

[AngelDelight 0]

I already have about 3 times, but I will try again - they are not Irish because 95% of them were born, raised and educated in Scotland and don't have Irish passports but instead have British passports. They think they are Irish...but they are not. They are simply confused people.

Are they ?

So second and third generation Scots for instance for instance in Canada have no right to declare or express their Scottishness ...despite where they were born ?

I doubt any second and third generation Scots in Canada will class themselves as anything but Canadian. They may celebrate their Scottish past but at the same time they will 100% class themselves as Canadians.

[kplfishtank 4,677]

so is aiden mcgeady british passport but hes irish according to skysports when internationals are on

We all know he's not really Irish...he is only Irish in the football sense...christ, every Irishman will tell you Aiden McGeady is not a real Irishman, he only got into the Irish team due too the fact his granny or something was Irish. In real terms, he is British.

Many Irish footballers over the years have not been proper Irishmen and most Irish football fans will openly admit this. Many Irish international footballers over the years had never even visited Ireland in their lives. So many non Irishman have played for Ireland due to the mass emmigration form Irelnad over the last 200 years and as a result played for IReland due to one of their grandparents being Irish.

One of my Grandparents is Swedish...doesn't make me Swedish though does it? I could play for Sweden under FIFSA riules...but we all know i'm Scottish and not Sweidsh!

i thought you were irish the way you keep goin on about them and know so much about there history

[The4thMusketeer 0]

so is aiden mcgeady british passport but hes irish according to skysports when internationals are on

We all know he's not really Irish...he is only Irish in the football sense...christ, every Irishman will tell you Aiden McGeady is not a real Irishman, he only got into the Irish team due too the fact his granny or something was Irish. In real terms, he is British.

Many Irish footballers over the years have not been proper Irishmen and most Irish football fans will openly admit this. Many Irish international footballers over the years had never even visited Ireland in their lives. So many non Irishman have played for Ireland due to the mass emmigration form Irelnad over the last 200 years and as a result played for IReland due to one of their grandparents being Irish.

One of my Grandparents is Swedish...doesn't make me Swedish though does it? I could play for Sweden under FIFSA riules...but we all know i'm Scottish and not Sweidsh!

So all the anglo scots who have represented Scotland over the years...were not proper Scotsmen ?

[HighlandBear 1]

Are they ?

So second and third generation Scots for instance for instance in Canada have no right to declare or express their Scottishness ...despite where they were born ?

I'm sure there's enough on here to put us right on that one.

[justiston 91]

Who are you to tell people how to celebrate/class them selves.

Is taking pride in your history/past not something to celebrate?

I have Irish links, born in England, but because the majority of my family are Scottish - I should class myself as that, and be fucked if I care about my ties with England and Ulster?

And this is exactly what you are saying....

[AngelDelight 0]

so is aiden mcgeady british passport but hes irish according to skysports when internationals are on

We all know he's not really Irish...he is only Irish in the football sense...christ, every Irishman will tell you Aiden McGeady is not a real Irishman, he only got into the Irish team due too the fact his granny or something was Irish. In real terms, he is British.

Many Irish footballers over the years have not been proper Irishmen and most Irish football fans will openly admit this. Many Irish international footballers over the years had never even visited Ireland in their lives. So many non Irishman have played for Ireland due to the mass emmigration form Irelnad over the last 200 years and as a result played for IReland due to one of their grandparents being Irish.

One of my Grandparents is Swedish...doesn't make me Swedish though does it? I could play for Sweden under FIFSA riules...but we all know i'm Scottish and not Sweidsh!

i thought you were irish the way you keep goin on about them and know so much about there history

I do have an Irish grandparent as well as a Swedish one from the other side of my family...is that a problem?

Even if I was 100% IRish....would that be a problem too?

According to some peoples logic on this thread, i'm Scottish, Swedish and Irish?????? Nope, i'm 100% Scottish ans that where I was born, raised, educated and my passport is British. I am not in the slightest Irish or Swedish!

[The4thMusketeer 0]

I already have about 3 times, but I will try again - they are not Irish because 95% of them were born, raised and educated in Scotland and don't have Irish passports but instead have British passports. They think they are Irish...but they are not. They are simply confused people.

Are they ?

So second and third generation Scots for instance for instance in Canada have no right to declare or express their Scottishness ...despite where they were born ?

I doubt any second and third generation Scots in Canada will class themselves as anything but Canadian. They may celebrate their Scottish past but at the same time they will 100% class themselves as Canadians.

But truth be told....you dont really know.

Its why we have societies...where such exiles can express their Scottishness or other nationalities as the case may be.

[Coopermania 1]

Have anyone of us seen green AngelDelight ?

[AngelDelight 0]

Who are you to tell people how to celebrate/class them selves.

Is taking pride in your history/past not something to celebrate?

I have Irish links, born in England, but because the majority of my family are Scottish - I should class myself as that, and be fucked if I care about my ties with England and Ulster?

And this is exactly what you are saying....

Oops, sorry for having an opinion! You can class yourself as whatever you want, doesn't mean I have to agree with it! All depands on your past history in terms of what you class yourself as.........but Aiden McGeady is no Irishman...he is a Scot with an Irish graany.

[The4thMusketeer 0]

Who are you to tell people how to celebrate/class them selves.

Is taking pride in your history/past not something to celebrate?

I have Irish links, born in England, but because the majority of my family are Scottish - I should class myself as that, and be fucked if I care about my ties with England and Ulster?

And this is exactly what you are saying....

Oops, sorry for having an opinion! You can class yourself as whatever you want, doesn't mean I have to agree with it! All depands on your past history in terms of what you class yourself as.........but Aiden McGeady is no Irishman...he is a Scot with an Irish graany.

So you are now telling people how they should class themselves....?

[justiston 91]

an you are part swedish and irish who happened to be born in Scotland.....you see how I turned it there?

[AngelDelight 0]

I already have about 3 times, but I will try again - they are not Irish because 95% of them were born, raised and educated in Scotland and don't have Irish passports but instead have British passports. They think they are Irish...but they are not. They are simply confused people.

Are they ?

So second and third generation Scots for instance for instance in Canada have no right to declare or express their Scottishness ...despite where they were born ?

I doubt any second and third generation Scots in Canada will class themselves as anything but Canadian. They may celebrate their Scottish past but at the same time they will 100% class themselves as Canadians.

But truth be told....you dont really know.

Its why we have societies...where such exiles can express their Scottishness or other nationalities as the case may be.

I do know seeing as I lived in Scarborough, Toronto for 6 months and then London for 6 months (London in Canada) with my parents. No second and third generation Scots in Canada class themselves as Scotsmen. They class themselves as Canadians with a Scottish background.

[kplfishtank 4,677]

so is aiden mcgeady british passport but hes irish according to skysports when internationals are on

We all know he's not really Irish...he is only Irish in the football sense...christ, every Irishman will tell you Aiden McGeady is not a real Irishman, he only got into the Irish team due too the fact his granny or something was Irish. In real terms, he is British.

Many Irish footballers over the years have not been proper Irishmen and most Irish football fans will openly admit this. Many Irish international footballers over the years had never even visited Ireland in their lives. So many non Irishman have played for Ireland due to the mass emmigration form Irelnad over the last 200 years and as a result played for IReland due to one of their grandparents being Irish.

One of my Grandparents is Swedish...doesn't make me Swedish though does it? I could play for Sweden under FIFSA riules...but we all know i'm Scottish and not Sweidsh!

i thought you were irish the way you keep goin on about them and know so much about there history

I do have an Irish grandparent as well as a Swedish one from the other side of my family...is that a problem?

Even if I was 100% IRish....would that be a problem too?

According to some peoples logic on this thread, i'm Scottish, Swedish and Irish?????? Nope, i'm 100% Scottish ans that where I was born, raised, educated and my passport is British. I am not in the slightest Irish or Swedish!

what is your gripe with the world has someone upset you

[justiston 91]

what is your gripe with the world has someone upset you

They nasty Brits wouldn't get out of his country

[AngelDelight 0]

an you are part swedish and irish who happened to be born in Scotland.....you see how I turned it there?

nope, as I know very little of Swedish or Irish culture...I ahve never even visited Sweden and have only been to Ireland twice. I am 100% Scottish...trust me on this one!

[AngelDelight 0]

Are they ?

So second and third generation Scots for instance for instance in Canada have no right to declare or express their Scottishness ...despite where they were born ?

I'm sure there's enough on here to put us right on that one.

Great point, if there are any Canadians on the site then what's you opinions on the subject...thanks.

[kplfishtank 4,677]

what is your gripe with the world has someone upset you

They nasty Brits wouldn't get out of his country

ach well it took my mind of misser for a couple of minutes so thanks anyway