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Great player in the making; his goal against Hearts was exceptional, and he is, it has to be remembered, coming back from an injury. Given time and patience, Lowry will be a star for Rangers.
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I don't really do the Forum anymore, but I had to say that I am very sad at the passing of ED. I never met him apart from on here, but we would PM sometimes; he was very nice guy. I heard purely by chance yesterday, and I have been down about this since then. My condolences to his family.
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Just now, Sasa'onlyPLGsuccess'Papac said:
Don't want to go off topic but let's be honest academies are a dream world for most clubs.
Ideally every team wants home grown players. But it's impossible to judge 95% of 11-15 year olds.
Now you have greedy agents jumping in using the young boys for money rather than helping their careers.
Look at Man Utd. Still bang on about the class of 92 cos it was literally a fluke having those players at the one time. If they were that good academies they'd be producing them every year.
My personal opinion is professional clubs should'nt have players under 15. They should be allowed to play with local amateur clubs and a bit of proper scouting should be done then you can develop them from 16+.
As I said earlier it's impossible to determine how a 12 year will develop.
Are there clubs that achieve something along these lines, those that have a size and expectation for success such as ours? I wouldn't mind seeing where this kind of thing works.
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Just now, backup said:
Rangers are already building a 10 million youth academy in Milngavie, something that was a condition of his signing a two-year extension to his contract.
Read more at: https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/Rangers-welcome-orange-blossom-1-481043That link's not working. It would be useful to read though.
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38 minutes ago, STEPPS BOY said:
Aye, Billy Gilmour was a giant..
Or, his obvious talent clearly outweighed everything else. Perhaps Gilmour indicates that we have a criteria that places above all else talent on the ball. I'm glad.
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2 minutes ago, Sasa'onlyPLGsuccess'Papac said:
Of course it was.
It's hard to attract the type of players we were signing under Advocaat when you tell them we're training in a local cricket club.
Better training facilities attract better players. They spend more time there than the stadium.
I think he wanted that, and something along the lines of an academy. I don't imagine he would have one without the other. The size of the complex was very important, and for that purpose I'd assume.
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19 minutes ago, coopsleftboot said:
The OP appears to be coming from an angle of shit stirring.
Speaking from very direct and recent experience, it's true that many clubs and coaches go for physique over technique which is exactly the point I made to the coach who told me my son (in a Club Academy Scotland set-up) was one of the better players but was too easily bullied...he was the youngest and smallest in his team. Rather than develop these kids for the future, there's a demand on them to do it NOW. Even at the age of 12/13/14. And that's at a club nowhere near Rangers level.
I don't what Rangers is like at youth level, what they look for or how long they give kids. But what I do know is it's very difficult to decide at such a young age which players will go on to have careers, let alone play for a club like Rangers. I've seen loads of surprises over the years, both in making it and not, because there are sooo many variables that can influence not only the individual child, but also the coach/club when it comes to making decisions.
Good post, and it appears there is two points to this: do we predict prematurely either way- we write off players too early; we assume they are the next best thing too early.
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6 minutes ago, Elfideldo said:
It is interesting the talk about Harry and it also shows how it is so different playing for Hearts and playing for Rangers. When he left Rangers I know a few of the scouts and coaches were disappointed as I was. I take an interest in any player released by Rangers, especially if it was one I thought we should be keeping.
Hearts more than any other club promote their young players through the age groups, Rangers have kind of dabbled but it is not the norm.
Could I see any current Rangers under 17's playing in the first team now, the answer would be no. Of the 17's only Danny Finlayson has played anywhere near regularly at 20's
It seems a risk asking you, but might we learn something from Hearts in this area?
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Just now, Bearsden bear said:
You will never get all decisions right in who stays & who goes.
Chelsea bought Lukaku back after punting him and he was a lot older than Cochrane. They also offloaded De Bruyne & Salah who have been standouts this season.
The younger they are the more difficult it is as some are late bloomers etc.
Maybe we bumped Cochrane and kept Billy Gilmour!!
Had Gilmour stayed it would have erased so much of the pain of the past few years! I wish him well, but if only he had stayed!
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4 minutes ago, The Dude said:
One thing I mentioned to Mulholland about it was that even the travel aspect (similar to that of a CL/EL trip) will possibly help in years down the line when the players who done this as a kid are doing similar as a senior pro and having to fly out Monday to Spain, France, Holland etc, acclimatise, play, travel home, play here a few days later.
In so many aspects it could be a big plus. Defences have to go up a notch, the yield on making a good pass, or taking a scoring opportunity. It's hard to see any negatives with it.
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Just now, The Dude said:
That’s very much the aim. Improving the boys technical ability and in-game thought process against a level of player which should be higher than what we have. Having players who can scrap and fight when it gets tasty is great - and they get plenty chance to learn that side domestically - so it’s about teaching them how to cope with teams who are quicker, sharper, taller, better passers etc and how to combat it.
In some respects this is arguably the most dynamic development, no pun intended, to have happened at the club in recent times. That we have young players who are going up against a higher level, without a great deal pressure, could be a great opportunity for something special to come from it.
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1 minute ago, The Dude said:
Liam Burt would probably be the top of the list. Elf may disagree but it’s probably fair to say there’s 3 groups. Those who are there or there abouts and need competitive games; Ones who are established within the 20s but still a bit away from first-team and then the ones recently added to the 20s group.
Just he's just 18 Dude. Seems to have been around for ages!
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This insistence that Advocaat had about the size of the training ground/academy seemed to suggest that he had a definite view that this should be the bedrock to us producing players that would compliment our future transfer budgets. It's harsh, though, to be overtly critical of the club, because of what it has been through over the past few years. However, now that we are back I think we should hope to see us back we are trying to utilise it better, with players of a more technical variety coming through. Maybe the types of games the development squad are now playing will aid us in that.
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Just now, The Dude said:
I wouldn't be too surprised if he does. He seemed to have a fan in Caixinha towards the end of last season. He wouldn't be the obvious pick of the bunch to make the step up but his hard work will stand him in good stead.
He looked very good technically; who would you say would come after McCrorie and Barjonas?
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9 minutes ago, Sasa'onlyPLGsuccess'Papac said:
It's a training centre for the first team squad first and foremost.
its good that the younger players use it too but it's not an academy so it certainly is fit for purpose.
That's an interesting view, and one I think maybe needs clear up. Maybe first and foremost Auchenhowie is what you say it is. I find it hard to believe it was the original vision of Advocaat though.
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Just now, Gustav said:
Excuse me?
Okay.
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4 minutes ago, The Dude said:
He is but he's one of those ones who is also a grafter. He's been thrown in a number of position and simply gets his head down and works hard. He was one of the ones I got the impression that Murty trusted to come in and do a job for him regardless of where he was played.
Do you think he will make the step up. He's the one I see coming on after Barjonas.
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Just now, Gustav said:
u dont seem ok 2 mee
Hmmm, what a curious comment for a football forum. I think I will leave you to your imagination!
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5 minutes ago, backup said:
It would appear that any returns/benefits in all spheres from Auchenhowie do not justify the costs and running costs, not fit for purpose.
It's an interesting point; do we develop players at a higher or lower rate than we did in the past? I'd love to know Advocaat's views on it, because this was his idea; just for curiosity's sake.
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1 minute ago, The Dude said:
Not that I know of about type. I know that - in the 20's particularly - there's been a number of boys moved around to see how suitable they are in other positions but generally speaking there's a good spread across positions. Whether it's defensively (Aidan Wilson, Jack Thomson, Lewis Mayo) or attacking (Zak Rudden, Josh McPake, Liam Burt, Serge Atakayi).
Is Andrew Dallas a creative player Dude; he is one player I'd like to see make it here.
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Just now, Gustav said:
u sure
As far as know, maybe you are an expert on these matters though; am I not okay? I find your concern for the wellbeing of others very touching. Thanks.
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What's clear is that just before this club hit the rocks a few years ago we did have some credible talent; one of the saddest things about back then was that many of the careers of those players appeared to be affected by those events. Now that we are back it would be very positive sign to see that back again. Getting those players to play with good influences in that first team is also a task that a new manager will have to deal with as well.
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Just now, Rfc52 said:
That's ok. Me and Craig mulholland are as tight as bawsburst and Brian and young wills quill
I can tell.
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Just now, Gustav said:
u ok
Always.
Gio Discussion Thread
in Jimmy Bell's Kitroom
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It's interesting what may be going on right now, if indeed the board are considering a change of manager; for instance, Brian Laudrup's latest comments on this could be revealing as to what is possibly happening. Laudrup raises two points that may be significant at the moment: firstly, the board have to consider the figure it will cost in the dismissal of the present manager; more importantly, though, according to Laudrup, the board have to be sure of a replacement, and getting the right person in. Suppose Laudrup is accurate in how he sees this situation, as it stands right now, does the apparent delay in any decision indicate uncertainty over who a replacement should be? Reading this forum again, and other forums is interesting right now, because there seems to be an almost unanimous agreement that there should be change of manager; what isn't as unanimous though, is who the new manager should be. Sacking a manager is one thing, but as everyone here will appreciate, the replacement is equally as crucial, and one that the board really do have to get right.