D'Artagnan

Apologies my mistake.

The Blue Order are absolutely outstanding..their ideas...their creations and their drive to bring back an atmosphere at Ibrox are phenomenal.

I'll deal with the resposnes one at a time if I may...if I miss anyone out..please come back to me...Im sure you will. Firstly KDI I never said Rangers were epitomy of truth steafastness etc....so if you are going to quote me...at least be accurate. I think you would be surprised at the inaccuracy of your psychoanalysis.....I think you would find we share a great interest in a certain book....the teachings of which characterise many of your posts. "You cannot separate Protestantism from Christianity. That is why much of Rangers' brand of "Protestantism" revolves around hatred and spiritual violence - it has been separated from Christianity" Its not a brand of "Protestantism" its a brand of bigotry...lets not beat about the bush. The sooner we establish what being a true Protestant is will go a long way to silencing those who think that "FTP" is expressing a Protestant ideal. "but I cannot agree that the mysteries of life, the universe, and everything in it are found in a sports team from Govan." Again KDI you do me the diservice of misquoting me...I never suggested that the myteries of life/universe were found in a football team...what I said was there was something mystical /spiritual about what it means to be a Bear. D'Artagnan, you are right. I probably did misrepresent some of your ideas. I'm sorry for that. Unreservedly accepted KDI.

See above response to Kev

Ive had nothing drilled into me. Infact, my dad doesnt follow football. So im automatically not a true blue? No Kev I never said that.... Given your background and the fact you have ended up being a bear demonstrates you were neither born or forced into it... That is part of the mystical factor to which I was referring earlier

Well BIC you may be surprised but I am going to agree with you... You are slightly confused. You tell me in one line "Rangers are my religion, as i worship them and nothing else" But then you feel it appropriate to tell me... "As hard as it may seem there is more to life than Rangers, you should start looking for it." Somewhat contradictory would you not agree ? "but you say that this is not an Anti-DM thread. So why have you spent most of it saying that he is not a true Ranger and does not know what it means to be one?" I think you over exaggerating stating that most of the post is spent stating SDM is not a Bear...at the very most the first quarter deals with a factual incident involving the chairman...and how he had to be corrected regarding his conduct to a Rangers supporter.

Tell me bauba....where did I say that ? Is that not twice now you have accused me of printing something I did not ?

I'll deal with the resposnes one at a time if I may...if I miss anyone out..please come back to me...Im sure you will. Firstly KDI I never said Rangers were epitomy of truth steafastness etc....so if you are going to quote me...at least be accurate. I think you would be surprised at the inaccuracy of your psychoanalysis.....I think you would find we share a great interest in a certain book....the teachings of which characterise many of your posts. "You cannot separate Protestantism from Christianity. That is why much of Rangers' brand of "Protestantism" revolves around hatred and spiritual violence - it has been separated from Christianity" Its not a brand of "Protestantism" its a brand of bigotry...lets not beat about the bush. The sooner we establish what being a true Protestant is will go a long way to silencing those who think that "FTP" is expressing a Protestant ideal. "but I cannot agree that the mysteries of life, the universe, and everything in it are found in a sports team from Govan." Again KDI you do me the diservice of misquoting me...I never suggested that the myteries of life/universe were found in a football team...what I said was there was something mystical /spiritual about what it means to be a Bear.

My point is, why the long intro about Murray ? To me, it wasn't just an article about the great tradtion of the club and what it means to be a true Rangers fan. To me, going by the opening section of the article, it was basically a swipe at Murray. Ayebrox, If I was taking a swipe at SDM...believe you me you would know about. It would certainly be more than a paragraph of factual content. So what was the purpose of discussing Murray for the first section of the article ? To demonstrate that rank/privilledge/money/status are not factors in determining what is a bear.

My point is, why the long intro about Murray ? To me, it wasn't just an article about the great tradtion of the club and what it means to be a true Rangers fan. To me, going by the opening section of the article, it was basically a swipe at Murray. Ayebrox, If I was taking a swipe at SDM...believe you me you would know about. It would certainly be more than a paragraph of factual content.

I disagree with the first bit dek totally....and I could substantiate it....but this is not an anti-SDM thread...that is important. Your second part sums it up perfectly... "it's quite possible to become a rangers man and hold equally valid if different views on the club. i don't buy the argument that one must needs be born into a specific culture to be a bear." Perfect summation....could you now explain that to Ayebrox

"But again, can you concisely state the point of your article ?" You work it out....others obviously have going by the responses to it.

Wrong he was chairman and he sanctioned the spending spree...

Sum up the point of your post then. It looks to me like the old Murray is not a Bear so he isn't fit to do the job argument. Why... because you fail to understand it ? And you obviously have failed to understand it. Whats this... explanations on demand to Ayebrox ? I'm at work and had to skim read it, repeated paragraphs all over the shop. I don't see why, if you have a decent point to make, you can't concisely state what that point is. Its called emphasis and re-emphasis. Sorry that point was lost on you. I'll try to bear it in mind next time I pen an article. I'll put one in here and one in the "easy -read" section.

Orangedek... I dont want this to turn into an anti-Murray thread...thats not what its about. But tell me one thing....when were we happy to take his money ? And what money was that ? Has it not dawned on you yet that the money lavished out in the 90's was Rangers money not SDM's ? Thats why we were in so much debt. Thats why we are restricted to 37 and 34 year old centre halves. We dont have any money as a club and our chairman is not willing to finance any deals personally.

Sum up the point of your post then. It looks to me like the old Murray is not a Bear so he isn't fit to do the job argument. Why... because you fail to understand it ? And you obviously have failed to understand it. Whats this... explanations on demand to Ayebrox ?

Culina factfile

Strong arguement for what ? Who is making an arguement ?

I dont think its so much a differing opinion he objects to, its random opinions about unrelated topics I should think No its the pish he speaks. He will be outed soon. Only guy on these boards who thinks PLG should have stayed, plonker, and in my opinion, if he doesnt want people to read drivel he shouldnt be posting it in the first place. The problem is that its not all pish as you put it.....the only problem is that he fails to expand on it.

It was David Murrays?s first ever AGM as chairman of Rangers Football Club. The first question he had to field saw him at his very best?ridiculing the questionnaire and offering a firm response. Another shareholder responded?..irrespective of the truth at hand?the chairman?s response was not what was expected of a Rangers chairman. David Murray reflected and offered a sincere apology to the individual who had proposed the original question. This factual incident, although seemingly meaningless, offers us great insight into everything about Rangers Football Club. Neither money, prestige, reputation nor official standing?.can guarantee you exclusive rights to ownership of what it means to be a bear. Rangers fans are born, Not manufactured We do not choose, we are chosen, Those who don?t understand?don?t matter Those who understand need no explanation. There was a code. And David Murray had broken it. By his own admission, he was not born a Bear?and therefore he did not understand. This is not meant to be a criticism of David Murray?.rather it is acceptance that there is something verging on the spiritual?the mystical of what it means to be a Bear. It?s more than just a birthright?and this author accepts he is not qualified to offer an answer to the mystical splendour of it all. But there is a code for sure?and too understand and appreciate it you have to live and breathe Rangers. But one thing is certain?Rangers Football Club is an institution. In fact it is more than an institution. In our lives we are subject to constant change?it may be employment?place of residence?.friends?.girlfriends?even wives?.but at the very core of our being remains a current constant?.a reliable milestone? you could even call it a sentimental benchmark?.Rangers Football Club. They remain a current constant to the madness of the world which surrounds us?small wonder then that Bears are resistant to change?particularly when such change equates to a selling of our soul. For this football club offers more than just a sporting meeting place?.it has been a place for years where like minds could meet. We meet not just to support a football team?.but to express our political and spiritual aspirations and desires and this expression will only increase as the constant attempts are made to ridicule and undermine or culture and our history. Rangers fans are born, Not manufactured We do not choose, we are chosen, Those who don?t understand?don?t matter Those who understand need no explanation But the institution which is Rangers has not been established by men of prestige?of money or influence. No?the mystique of Rangers as a football team and an institution has been established by the ordinary men and women who have chosen to follow follow in sometimes extraordinary circumstances?..to follow something they were born to?something that was almost inherent?.and whether they could not understand the logic or rationale behind the desire?.at the heart of their very soul was something calling them?challenging them to respond?to follow?to support?and to believe in everything Rangers stood for. Let me repeat it?. And I make no apologies for quoting our club captain?because I have believed this all my life?..Rangers are not a football club?they are a way of life. There are those among us who care not for our expressions of identity. I would ask them this question?..why did a BBC director on asking why he supported Rangers reply as follows ??Rangers are the quintessentially British club? ? Because?and I would wager he was not aware of the ceremonies associated with the Loving Cup?.those ceremonies which go on behind closed doors?he saw what those ordinary men and women achieved with their banners?their flags and their songs. Every day I reflect on his statement and feel immense pride on the message and identity which emanates from Ibrox?not from ?a club spokesperson?? but the men and women who are the very heart and soul of our club. They sang those songs and waved those banners?not to be popular?not to win favour?but because it was what they believed in ?.what formed them as people?their identity?their beliefs?and they stood shoulder to shoulder with others who shared those beliefs. People may hate us for what we believe in?but they cannot and will not destroy our identity. Rangers fans are born, Not manufactured We do not choose, we are chosen, Those who don?t understand?don?t matter Those who understand need no explanation. So let us get to the crux of the matter?because we as a support go beyond celebrating our British identity?we go further and celebrate our Protestant Heritage. And for that we have been condemned?..time and time again. But why not celebrate it?in a responsible manner?.for our Protestant values are those which have made our club more than just a football club. Those who chose to argue that Rangers have no Protestant identity are denying the facts of history?church parades?..charity football matches to name but a few?the list could go on?but I am not here to educate the ignorant?I am here to rejoice with my like minded brethren in what not merely unites us?but sets us apart as both football club and a people. I will not be ashamed of being a Protestant nor will I be ashamed of supporting a football which reflects my culture and beliefs....provided such expression is done in a responsible manner. You are defined?. not by what you say ?but by what you do. Money cannot and never will, be able to buy what it means to be a bear. Those mystical values of which I spoke of earlier are like spiritual laws?they are beyond price. Truth, integrity, loyalty, steadfastness, dignity?is it any small wonder that we so often hear the phrase ?not the Rangers Way ? ? The ?Way? to which they refer is the mystical code?the birthright? the exemplary code of conduct to which we are called. How ironic that we seem to be under attack from politicians who replace the truth with spin?loyalty with defection?and dignity with shameful conduct. I was born a Ranger?I have lived a Ranger? and I will die a Ranger. And my son will replace me?. and his son him. And no politician will manufacture what any of us were born to be. Rangers fans are born, Not manufactured We do not choose, we are chosen, Those who don?t understand?don?t matter Those who understand need no explanation. RANGERS FOREVER

Makes for a pretty one sided conversation though...still perhaps some people only hear want they want to hear

Fotheringham hopes to win move to Rangers

Most annoying thing about Davies was a discussion on Radio Clyde prior to Wattie's appointment. When DJ was asked if he thought Billy Davies would get the Rangers job he replied "No he is destined for bigger & better things" Whats all that about ?

THE NEW PETER LOVENKRANDS ? Dont know if that is a particularly good selling point !

And what about next season ?