minstral 5,375 Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 Times HAVE changed FFS! We live in a different world now. It might be for the better, it might be for the worse. But we have to move with the times all the same. i prefer to live in the past and as long as your happy then move with the times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youllneverwinaway 0 Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 no they were the days when jim baxter would take the piss out of the tims, and the celtic end was empty with 20 min to go when we humped them 3-0 in the 1962-63 scottish cup final. we also won the title and only lost 2 games that year. that was when baxter played against celtic 18 times and was only on a losing side twice. that was when you could go to watch rangers without fear of being grassed, also our fans would stick by one another and we could also sing what we wanted. also our owners would defend our fans and not threaten them with jail for singing songs. in those days we were treated to great attacking football, not like the pish we have to watch today. Was that not round about the same time that Timmy were ordered to remove the tricolour from the stadium and our Chairman stood up for them on the issue and threatened to join them in a boycott until the SFA backed down? If only our chairman had been so quick to stand up to the SFA when they handed Willie Woodburn a life ban. I bet it was SDM This episode couldnt have happened though cause back then our Chairmen and Board stood up for the club and had balls........ at least we had real rangers men running the club not imposters, plus i see you have doged the part of baxter taking the piss out of the tims, and playing good attacking football. "Real Rangers men" that lay in bed with Timmy it appears...... We took the piss out of the Tims throughout the 90's as well so im sure the "younger" generation will have plenty of good memories as well. For Baxter, read Gazza and Laudrup... prove they lay in bed with the tims, and for gazza and laudrup not in the same class as baxter. They had the chance to chase Timmy out of the league as they were not going to back down on the Tricolour issue. They opted to back them and the SFA shat it. I can only imagine what SDM would get called if Steven Davis got sine died and he didnt do anything to support him..... This is the problem with the romantic story of "how it used to be" You wont get many people speaking up about what really went on and it ends up being a web of propaganda. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
minstral 5,375 Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 no they were the days when jim baxter would take the piss out of the tims, and the celtic end was empty with 20 min to go when we humped them 3-0 in the 1962-63 scottish cup final. we also won the title and only lost 2 games that year. that was when baxter played against celtic 18 times and was only on a losing side twice. that was when you could go to watch rangers without fear of being grassed, also our fans would stick by one another and we could also sing what we wanted. also our owners would defend our fans and not threaten them with jail for singing songs. in those days we were treated to great attacking football, not like the pish we have to watch today. Was that not round about the same time that Timmy were ordered to remove the tricolour from the stadium and our Chairman stood up for them on the issue and threatened to join them in a boycott until the SFA backed down? If only our chairman had been so quick to stand up to the SFA when they handed Willie Woodburn a life ban. I bet it was SDM This episode couldnt have happened though cause back then our Chairmen and Board stood up for the club and had balls........ at least we had real rangers men running the club not imposters, plus i see you have doged the part of baxter taking the piss out of the tims, and playing good attacking football. "Real Rangers men" that lay in bed with Timmy it appears...... We took the piss out of the Tims throughout the 90's as well so im sure the "younger" generation will have plenty of good memories as well. For Baxter, read Gazza and Laudrup... prove they lay in bed with the tims, and for gazza and laudrup not in the same class as baxter. They had the chance to chase Timmy out of the league as they were not going to back down on the Tricolour issue. They opted to back them and the SFA shat it. I can only imagine what SDM would get called if Steven Davis got sine died and he didnt do anything to support him..... This is the problem with the romantic story of "how it used to be" You wont get many people speaking up about what really went on and it ends up being a web of propaganda. what you must remember is rangers and celtic need each other or scottish football would die, but what other owner of our club threatened our own fans with the jail for singing a song, or telling the Dublin loyal that thecant fly a flag. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hammer 11 2,849 Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 no they were the days when jim baxter would take the piss out of the tims, and the celtic end was empty with 20 min to go when we humped them 3-0 in the 1962-63 scottish cup final. we also won the title and only lost 2 games that year. that was when baxter played against celtic 18 times and was only on a losing side twice. that was when you could go to watch rangers without fear of being grassed, also our fans would stick by one another and we could also sing what we wanted. also our owners would defend our fans and not threaten them with jail for singing songs. in those days we were treated to great attacking football, not like the pish we have to watch today. Was that not round about the same time that Timmy were ordered to remove the tricolour from the stadium and our Chairman stood up for them on the issue and threatened to join them in a boycott until the SFA backed down? If only our chairman had been so quick to stand up to the SFA when they handed Willie Woodburn a life ban. I bet it was SDM This episode couldnt have happened though cause back then our Chairmen and Board stood up for the club and had balls........ at least we had real rangers men running the club not imposters, plus i see you have doged the part of baxter taking the piss out of the tims, and playing good attacking football. "Real Rangers men" that lay in bed with Timmy it appears...... We took the piss out of the Tims throughout the 90's as well so im sure the "younger" generation will have plenty of good memories as well. For Baxter, read Gazza and Laudrup... prove they lay in bed with the tims, and for gazza and laudrup not in the same class as baxter. They had the chance to chase Timmy out of the league as they were not going to back down on the Tricolour issue. They opted to back them and the SFA shat it. I can only imagine what SDM would get called if Steven Davis got sine died and he didnt do anything to support him..... This is the problem with the romantic story of "how it used to be" You wont get many people speaking up about what really went on and it ends up being a web of propaganda. what you must remember is rangers and celtic need each other or scottish football would die, but what other owner of our club threatened our own fans with the jail for singing a song, or telling the Dublin loyal that thecant fly a flag. Why can't the Dublin loyal fly a flag ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brissybear 50 Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 First things first I never got abusive with anyone until they started with me and even then I refrained from getting personal. I have an opinion of an element within our support, yes I do. I feel they are a bunch of morons who, personally I would rather not see. Ive gave honest opinions tahts all. Some folk might think that this element is accepatble and a by profuct of our traditions. I dont, I think they are a brass neck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cumbria_blue 51 Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 no they were the days when jim baxter would take the piss out of the tims, and the celtic end was empty with 20 min to go when we humped them 3-0 in the 1962-63 scottish cup final. we also won the title and only lost 2 games that year. that was when baxter played against celtic 18 times and was only on a losing side twice. that was when you could go to watch rangers without fear of being grassed, also our fans would stick by one another and we could also sing what we wanted. also our owners would defend our fans and not threaten them with jail for singing songs. in those days we were treated to great attacking football, not like the pish we have to watch today. Was that not round about the same time that Timmy were ordered to remove the tricolour from the stadium and our Chairman stood up for them on the issue and threatened to join them in a boycott until the SFA backed down? If only our chairman had been so quick to stand up to the SFA when they handed Willie Woodburn a life ban. I bet it was SDM This episode couldnt have happened though cause back then our Chairmen and Board stood up for the club and had balls........ at least we had real rangers men running the club not imposters, plus i see you have doged the part of baxter taking the piss out of the tims, and playing good attacking football. "Real Rangers men" that lay in bed with Timmy it appears...... We took the piss out of the Tims throughout the 90's as well so im sure the "younger" generation will have plenty of good memories as well. For Baxter, read Gazza and Laudrup... prove they lay in bed with the tims, and for gazza and laudrup not in the same class as baxter. They had the chance to chase Timmy out of the league as they were not going to back down on the Tricolour issue. They opted to back them and the SFA shat it. I can only imagine what SDM would get called if Steven Davis got sine died and he didnt do anything to support him..... This is the problem with the romantic story of "how it used to be" You wont get many people speaking up about what really went on and it ends up being a web of propaganda. what you must remember is rangers and celtic need each other or scottish football would die, but what other owner of our club threatened our own fans with the jail for singing a song, or telling the Dublin loyal that thecant fly a flag. Why can't the Dublin loyal fly a flag ? It had the words "behind enemy lines" on it. This was deemed offensive by our club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hammer 11 2,849 Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 It had the words "behind enemy lines" on it. This was deemed offensive by our club. Wow our chairmans idiocy never ceases to amaze me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
minstral 5,375 Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 It had the words "behind enemy lines" on it. This was deemed offensive by our club. Wow our chairmans idiocy never ceases to amaze me yes thats what happens when you have a ayr united fan as owner of our club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cumbria_blue 51 Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 It had the words "behind enemy lines" on it. This was deemed offensive by our club. Wow our chairmans idiocy never ceases to amaze me yes thats what happens when you have a ayr united fan as owner of our club. Was it not the head of security who was responsible for removing the flag? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youllneverwinaway 0 Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 what you must remember is rangers and celtic need each other or scottish football would die, but what other owner of our club threatened our own fans with the jail for singing a song, or telling the Dublin loyal that thecant fly a flag. He never threatened the fans, he simply told them what the cops had warned the club might happen. What if he hadnt told the fans, then it came out after the police waded in and arrested people that he knew about it......He would have got accused of keeping it from the fans on purpose to get rid of them. ...Lets face facts....No matter what SDM does, he cant win with you or a few others. Your mind is made up and you are not for turning.... As for threatening our fans, what about: “It is to these tikes, hooligans, louts and drunkards that I pinpoint my message. It is because of your gutter-rat behaviour that we are being publicly tarred and feathered.” 1972 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
minstral 5,375 Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 It had the words "behind enemy lines" on it. This was deemed offensive by our club. Wow our chairmans idiocy never ceases to amaze me yes thats what happens when you have a ayr united fan as owner of our club. Was it not the head of security who was responsible for removing the flag? yes but he takes his orders from murray. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cumbria_blue 51 Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 what you must remember is rangers and celtic need each other or scottish football would die, but what other owner of our club threatened our own fans with the jail for singing a song, or telling the Dublin loyal that thecant fly a flag. He never threatened the fans, he simply told them what the cops had warned the club might happen. What if he hadnt told the fans, then it came out after the police waded in and arrested people that he knew about it......He would have got accused of keeping it from the fans on purpose to get rid of them. ...Lets face facts....No matter what SDM does, he cant win with you or a few others. Your mind is made up and you are not for turning.... As for threatening our fans, what about: "It is to these tikes, hooligans, louts and drunkards that I pinpoint my message. It is because of your gutter-rat behaviour that we are being publicly tarred and feathered." 1972 Why can't we agree - No matter who runs our club there will always be mistakes? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
minstral 5,375 Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 what you must remember is rangers and celtic need each other or scottish football would die, but what other owner of our club threatened our own fans with the jail for singing a song, or telling the Dublin loyal that thecant fly a flag. He never threatened the fans, he simply told them what the cops had warned the club might happen. What if he hadnt told the fans, then it came out after the police waded in and arrested people that he knew about it......He would have got accused of keeping it from the fans on purpose to get rid of them. ...Lets face facts....No matter what SDM does, he cant win with you or a few others. Your mind is made up and you are not for turning.... As for threatening our fans, what about: “It is to these tikes, hooligans, louts and drunkards that I pinpoint my message. It is because of your gutter-rat behaviour that we are being publicly tarred and feathered.” 1972 always blame the fans what about the police, ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youllneverwinaway 0 Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 what you must remember is rangers and celtic need each other or scottish football would die, but what other owner of our club threatened our own fans with the jail for singing a song, or telling the Dublin loyal that thecant fly a flag. He never threatened the fans, he simply told them what the cops had warned the club might happen. What if he hadnt told the fans, then it came out after the police waded in and arrested people that he knew about it......He would have got accused of keeping it from the fans on purpose to get rid of them. ...Lets face facts....No matter what SDM does, he cant win with you or a few others. Your mind is made up and you are not for turning.... As for threatening our fans, what about: "It is to these tikes, hooligans, louts and drunkards that I pinpoint my message. It is because of your gutter-rat behaviour that we are being publicly tarred and feathered." 1972 Why can't we agree - No matter who runs our club there will always be mistakes? I agree with you on that CB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youllneverwinaway 0 Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 what you must remember is rangers and celtic need each other or scottish football would die, but what other owner of our club threatened our own fans with the jail for singing a song, or telling the Dublin loyal that thecant fly a flag. He never threatened the fans, he simply told them what the cops had warned the club might happen. What if he hadnt told the fans, then it came out after the police waded in and arrested people that he knew about it......He would have got accused of keeping it from the fans on purpose to get rid of them. ...Lets face facts....No matter what SDM does, he cant win with you or a few others. Your mind is made up and you are not for turning.... As for threatening our fans, what about: “It is to these tikes, hooligans, louts and drunkards that I pinpoint my message. It is because of your gutter-rat behaviour that we are being publicly tarred and feathered.” 1972 always blame the fans what about the police, ? Well you will need to ask our Chairman and Manager in the 70's why? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccoist355 4 Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 “It is to these tikes, hooligans, louts and drunkards that I pinpoint my message. It is because of your gutter-rat behaviour that we are being publicly tarred and feathered.” 1972 Thats just the kind of quote Id expect the most bitter hater of Rangers - ie Graham Spiers who used it in his article in the Times - to have at hand. Why the hell are you, as a good Bear im sure, spouting it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cumbria_blue 51 Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 "It is to these tikes, hooligans, louts and drunkards that I pinpoint my message. It is because of your gutter-rat behaviour that we are being publicly tarred and feathered." 1972 Thats just the kind of quote Id expect the most bitter hater of Rangers - ie Graham Spiers who used it in his article in the Times - to have at hand. Why the hell are you, as a good Bear im sure, spouting it? He's quoting something that our former chairman said in 1972 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
minstral 5,375 Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 what you must remember is rangers and celtic need each other or scottish football would die, but what other owner of our club threatened our own fans with the jail for singing a song, or telling the Dublin loyal that thecant fly a flag. He never threatened the fans, he simply told them what the cops had warned the club might happen. What if he hadnt told the fans, then it came out after the police waded in and arrested people that he knew about it......He would have got accused of keeping it from the fans on purpose to get rid of them. ...Lets face facts....No matter what SDM does, he cant win with you or a few others. Your mind is made up and you are not for turning.... As for threatening our fans, what about: “It is to these tikes, hooligans, louts and drunkards that I pinpoint my message. It is because of your gutter-rat behaviour that we are being publicly tarred and feathered.” 1972 always blame the fans what about the police, ? Well you will need to ask our Chairman and Manager in the 70's why? i take it you are on about willie waddell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brissyger 8 Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 It had the words "behind enemy lines" on it. This was deemed offensive by our club. Wow our chairmans idiocy never ceases to amaze me yes thats what happens when you have a ayr united fan as owner of our club. Soon as you find a true Rangers fan with the kind of money necessary to own a football club I'm willing for a change. I'm not a Murray hater but I have just been getting the impression he doesn't care anymore and sees no point sticking his neck out for the fans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccoist355 4 Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 "It is to these tikes, hooligans, louts and drunkards that I pinpoint my message. It is because of your gutter-rat behaviour that we are being publicly tarred and feathered." 1972 Thats just the kind of quote Id expect the most bitter hater of Rangers - ie Graham Spiers who used it in his article in the Times - to have at hand. Why the hell are you, as a good Bear im sure, spouting it? He's quoting something that our former chairman said in 1972 Im aware of that. Its just it is a quote that clearly reflects very poorly on the club/fans It surprised me to see a fellow Rangers fan deploy it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjorkland 13 Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 Guess. Im getting old. Its my birthday Monday..shit... I posted earlier that the first game I was at was 1964...but I loved Rangers before then. My dad wasnt really into going to see games..but I was lucky that my friends dad was a Rangers follow follow man, and took myself along with his own son. I guess my time was the late 60's...and all through the 70's. I endured the Stein era at the piggery , and remember sitting on the terracing at Ibrox through some games..yes sitting..it was that sparse. The internet is a great thing. I can now find out about all these games I went to..the crowds, and who scored etc . What I dont know though..is who was there. Yeah..my pals were there... We always went in a crowd, like 10-15 of us from school, in the 70's. But..when we played the bheggars...that was different. There were THOUSANDS of us..all as one. Hampden.....Ibrox..the Piggery... You were up on your mates shoulders..or held up on the stanchions.....hoisting a Union Jack...everyone around steadied you..THEY wanted the flag shown too. ALL around wanted the flag shown. If we scored against the Bheggars, EVERYONE around went mental..We were ONE! So..whats my point? My point is... WE are Rangers. EVERYONE on here has a love for this team from Ibrox. Having watched the team through the mid to late 60's and all through the 70's, and understanding what its like to be in a 100,000 crowd, jam packed in the Rangers end, I find it hard to comprehend how I see fellow bears at odds over our Protestant heritage. The latest was the McCoist Charity issue. Whether you like it or not, Rangers fans in the 60's and 70's were 99.9% Protestant. We had Pastor Jack there ( God Bless him) selling his paper, and we all sung Dolly's Braes....and goddamit.. we hated the IRA Thats who we were. Yes..times have changed. We have probably played a complete team of RC's, for all I know, in the blue of The Rangers. I bet they played for the jersey though. I find it difficult to read posts from what I think is probably a younger generation criticising, and trying to berate older bears for their 'religious' views. Be grateful they are here. They, or we, are the previous generation of follow follow boys... why do you castigate, and berate? I know if I was younger and had the internet, I would have been amazed that i could find out first hand what it was like to follow The Rangers in the 30's etc. I might even have had some respect. Yeah..rant over... We Are The People...we always have been. We always will be. Good post Kai, very well spoken words and an insight to how you (and I'm sure many other 'older' bears) must feel. Whilst I can sympathise with what your saying, I don't necessary agree with what your saying, in fact I struggle to see what you ARE actually saying. That's no insult BTW, just that your post hints and suggests at things without actually saying them. So my reply is not necessary directed straight at you, and if I miss the mark at all, my apologies in advance... "Whether you like it or not, Rangers fans in the 60's and 70's were 99.9% Protestant." It would be pedantic to argue figures but you're right Rangers were supported by majority Protestants. Two key points though... Firstly, 'the majority were Protestants'. Now we could argue all day about what constitutes a protestant, but I'll accept a generalism that its a person who subscribes to protestant ideals. But nowadays there isn't the same percentage of a majority. Rangers fans range from all backgrounds, Muslim, atheist, Protestant, Catholic, etc. The technology boom of the last 50 years has made our world shrink, multi-culturism is a way of life now. Also, its great to remember our history, but that's where it belongs, the past. I will argue to the day is done that football and religion should have no connection, but I accept for some they do, but with the passing of time comes change and progress, and today's 'younger' fan is generally less religious and more tolerant. (that's a generalisation and not aimed at anyone in particular...) Whilst Rangers belongs to all of us, the younger fans/players are its future, inasmuch as we will be alive and supporting Rangers, when others here have passed. And naturally the same will happen again, cheesy as it sounds its the changing of the guard. The past is great, some things to be remembered, others forgotten and learned from. And this leads me to my second point. It does matter whether I like it or not, because Rangers as a purely exclusive club for whatever group, is not how I want my club to be run. I do not want intolerance of any form associated with my club. I do not want my club punished by governing bodies for its behaviour. Other posters have said what I would say on matters such as the incorrect and belligerent use of the word 'fenian', and on issues of hating them more than loving us so I won't repeat them. I can only imagine how I will perceive this club and it's supporters in 50 years time, I will have memories to share with the younger generation then such as helicopter Sunday, 9IAR, and Manchester, just as older bears share their memories of the terraces. I fully respect those bears, but respect works both ways. Respect is not recognising, you're right, and I'm wrong. Society dictates what's right and wrong, not individuals. I can't honestly say it was wrong to chant the 'Billy Boys' in the '60's because society accepted it. What I can say, is that in 2009 society does not accept it, and Rangers as an club in 2009 must abide by this or suffer the consequences which will be dire. Any way I'm of on a bit of a tangent so... To sum up, We are the people, all of us. Our views may differ, but that s only human, but where football is concerned we all hold one thing dear to our hearts, Rangers Football Club Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youllneverwinaway 0 Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 "It is to these tikes, hooligans, louts and drunkards that I pinpoint my message. It is because of your gutter-rat behaviour that we are being publicly tarred and feathered." 1972 Thats just the kind of quote Id expect the most bitter hater of Rangers - ie Graham Spiers who used it in his article in the Times - to have at hand. Why the hell are you, as a good Bear im sure, spouting it? He's quoting something that our former chairman said in 1972 Im aware of that. Its just it is a quote that clearly reflects very poorly on the club/fans It surprised me to see a fellow Rangers fan deploy it. There is missing the point then there is this The reason i quoted it is to dispel the myth that "in the good ole days" the club stood up for the fans and were "real Rangers men" Its revisionist pish Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
minstral 5,375 Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 "It is to these tikes, hooligans, louts and drunkards that I pinpoint my message. It is because of your gutter-rat behaviour that we are being publicly tarred and feathered." 1972 Thats just the kind of quote Id expect the most bitter hater of Rangers - ie Graham Spiers who used it in his article in the Times - to have at hand. Why the hell are you, as a good Bear im sure, spouting it? He's quoting something that our former chairman said in 1972 Im aware of that. Its just it is a quote that clearly reflects very poorly on the club/fans It surprised me to see a fellow Rangers fan deploy it. There is missing the point then there is this The reason i quoted it is to dispel the myth that "in the good ole days" the club stood up for the fans and were "real Rangers men" Its revisionist pish really ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccoist355 4 Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 There is missing the point then there is this The reason i quoted it is to dispel the myth that "in the good ole days" the club stood up for the fans and were "real Rangers men" Its revisionist pish You've clearly got a point, i just wish you hadnt dusted off one of the top ten Tim quotes that no doubt appears on Tim forums under the heading of how we're all "animals". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youllneverwinaway 0 Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 "It is to these tikes, hooligans, louts and drunkards that I pinpoint my message. It is because of your gutter-rat behaviour that we are being publicly tarred and feathered." 1972 Thats just the kind of quote Id expect the most bitter hater of Rangers - ie Graham Spiers who used it in his article in the Times - to have at hand. Why the hell are you, as a good Bear im sure, spouting it? He's quoting something that our former chairman said in 1972 Im aware of that. Its just it is a quote that clearly reflects very poorly on the club/fans It surprised me to see a fellow Rangers fan deploy it. There is missing the point then there is this The reason i quoted it is to dispel the myth that "in the good ole days" the club stood up for the fans and were "real Rangers men" Its revisionist pish really ? Well without too much sweat, there is now 3 examples in differant periods where the club lacked balls. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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