papaguy51 912 Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Ronaldo's slowly becoming a lot more direct that Messi.He's cutting out a lot of the pointless tricks in his game these days. As soon as he gets the ball, he's turning towards the goal or byline, getting his head down and putting the ball in the right area.Both phenomenal players IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SandyWATP Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Ronaldo's slowly becoming a lot more direct that Messi.He's cutting out a lot of the pointless tricks in his game these days. As soon as he gets the ball, he's turning towards the goal or byline, getting his head down and putting the ball in the right area.Both phenomenal players IMO.This is very true, and it's probably partly down to Mourinho.They are two of the greatest players ever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
papaguy51 912 Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 They are possibly the only two players in the world now - even taking Xavi and Iniesta into account - that truly get the crowd on their feet as soon as they get the ball.You feel it with Messi when he gets it, the same for Ronaldo last night. You just know something is going to happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rfcfraserrfc 262 Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 How is that exactly your point ? Are you seriously trying to say Man united were only amazing because of Ronaldo ? They'v been amazing in the past, amazing now and will be amazing for years to come and that's all down to one man, Alex Ferguson. And if Ronaldo is so spectacular, like you say, and can turn teams "amazing", why are Portugal still shit even with him as captain ? You're contradicting yourself a bit here.Yes, he got them to the champions league final and scored the goal in the final He also got over 40 goals in one season from all kinds of play not just feeding of players live xavi and iniesta Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rfcfraserrfc 262 Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 You said Ronaldo can carry a team on his own, so why can't he do it for his country?He can , he got them to the world cup Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmrfc1873 48 Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Yes, he got them to the champions league final and scored the goal in the final He also got over 40 goals in one season from all kinds of play not just feeding of players live xavi and iniestaAye, he was feeding of players like Scholes, Rooney, Tevez, Giggs, Hargreaves, Anderson and Carrick (when he was great). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SandyWATP Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 He can , he got them to the world cupScoring 0 goals in the process. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rfcfraserrfc 262 Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Scoring 0 goals in the process.Similar to messi at the world cup Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rfcfraserrfc 262 Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Aye, he was feeding of players like Scholes, Rooney, Tevez, Giggs, Hargreaves, Anderson and Carrick (when he was great).Forgot Carrick was better than Xavi My mistake Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SandyWATP Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Similar to messi at the world cup0 goals in 12 qualifying games - he really got them their himself I'm not the one saying he carries the team on his own.You are making claims that are utter bollocks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rfcfraserrfc 262 Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 0 goals in 12 qualifying games - he really got them their himself I'm not the one saying he carries the team on his own.You are making claims that are utter bollocks.He does carry teams on his own Teams like Man Utd , Real Madrid You heard of them ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Sasac 164 Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 What's going on in this thread?Oh... this again.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGM_72 3,734 Posted January 15, 2011 Author Share Posted January 15, 2011 There's not really much to be said that hasn't been said already, some interesting and good posts .I think if you traded Messi for Ronaldo, I think Real would become a whole different team. While Ronaldo would still keep Barcelona at a such a high level, I just feel Messi would transform Madrid.Messi would still be the best player in the world and would probably raise the games of those around him. While I think he needs Xavi and Iniesta, to an extent, I think his movement, skill and intelligence on the park probably bring the very best in them too. (Of course they're still magnificent for Spain). As was mentioned, Ronaldo is becoming a lot more direct than previously, I don't think that's even down to Mourinho because he was showing signs of it last season too. I don't think it's a bad thing either, though it's obviously not as beautiful to watch as Messi and co, it's effective. I would love to see it happen though, as there's many factors that could influence it. The two players styles, their attitudes, whether Guardiola would embrace or deflate Ronaldos ego. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASCIIDK 5 Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 Neither of them would work. Messi struggles in a team where he is the main player. He's always been one of the top dogs at Barca, but they've never been dependant on him. Whether it was Ronaldinho and Deco, Xavi and Iniesta, he's always had world class players around him. Whenever he plays for Argentina, he is expected to fill the number 10 role. And it never quite works out for him. He's not a player you pass to every time your going forward and let him do his own thing. He does get quickly alienated in a side that is too dependant on him. At Barca though, he's oustanding. Ronaldo is the polar opposite of Messi. He has always been top gun. It helps his ego, and when he's confident he's unstoppable. It's no coincidence that Ronaldo's scored more than a goal a game this season, considering he is Madrid's attack force. He is backed up by the talent of Di Maria and Ozil, he's not dependant on it This. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmrfc1873 48 Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 Forgot Carrick was better than Xavi My mistakeNever said that or implied it, read the post right . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rfcfraserrfc 262 Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 Never said that or implied it, read the post right .You said Roanldo was feeding off players like carrick after i said Messi was feeding off players like xavi , Implying that they are equally as good or that carrick is better Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmrfc1873 48 Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 You said Roanldo was feeding off players like carrick after i said Messi was feeding off players like xavi , Implying that they are equally as good or that carrick is betterNo, I didn't, but at the time Carrick was a player that was capable of creating a number of chances for Ronaldo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rfcfraserrfc 262 Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 No, I didn't, but at the time Carrick was a player that was capable of creating a number of chances for Ronaldo.Every player in the world is 'capable' of creating chances Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmrfc1873 48 Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 Every player in the world is 'capable' of creating chancesI'm not overrating him here or comparing to the likes of xavi, iniesta etc but you're seriously trying to tell me every player is as capable as creating chances like Carrick was at that time ? no chance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rfcfraserrfc 262 Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 I'm not overrating him here or comparing to the likes of xavi, iniesta etc but you're seriously trying to tell me every player is as capable as creating chances like Carrick was at that time ? no chance.With Ronaldos movement , yes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmrfc1873 48 Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 With Ronaldos movement , yesSo you're logic surely must apply for Messi with him having his chances created by Iniesta and Xavi then ? Tripping yourself up there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rfcfraserrfc 262 Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 So you're logic surely must apply for Messi with him having his chances created by Iniesta and Xavi then ? Tripping yourself up there.Messi has better players around him at barca than ronaldo did at man utdYoure debating that then ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmrfc1873 48 Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 Messi has better players around him at barca than ronaldo did at man utdYoure debating that then ?You're seriously overrating Ronaldo and underrating Messi here . Astonishing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rfcfraserrfc 262 Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 You're seriously overrating Ronaldo and underrating Messi here . Astonishing.How ? They are both astonishing players no doubtJust think Ronaldo has an edge that Messi doesnt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PedrosHeroes 26 Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 I absoutely despise Real Madrid Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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