JamieD 19,375 Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 oops. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creampuff 22,628 Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 I guess part of my rationale is that I hold the Euros and the modern Champions League, especially the knockout rounds, in higher regard than the World Cup. Plus I feel there is an intrinsic upward shift in the quality of nearly all sports, that they are played at a higher level by ever better players now than in the past, and unless one player (eg-Ruth) has established himself as far and away the greatest player to ever play his game then the debate is almost constantly open.That said, the Champions League now is the meeting ground for the vast majority of the best players in the world, and the leagues those teams/players represent fill out most of the rest of the field. Saying the same for the World Cup as it exists now is almost laughable.You regard the European Championship higher than the World Cup? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sobatai 70 Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 I guess part of my rationale is that I hold the Euros and the modern Champions League, especially the knockout rounds, in higher regard than the World Cup. Plus I feel there is an intrinsic upward shift in the quality of nearly all sports, that they are played at a higher level by ever better players now than in the past, and unless one player (eg-Ruth) has established himself as far and away the greatest player to ever play his game then the debate is almost constantly open.That said, the Champions League now is the meeting ground for the vast majority of the best players in the world, and the leagues those teams/players represent fill out most of the rest of the field. Saying the same for the World Cup as it exists now is almost laughable.Obviously you can't put past players into the modern game. That's what makes it difficult to compare eras. But if a Maradona or a di Stefano were in their prime now they'd have the same physical attributes as modern players. They'd be physically fitter and faster. They'd be on the strict diet regimes of the modern game. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane 338 Posted March 20, 2012 Author Share Posted March 20, 2012 You regard the European Championship higher than the World Cup? It's a better competition at 16 teams, so yeah. The 32 team World Cup is a diluted field, and outside the South American sides who would you say is a team that could consistently compete in the Euros?There's way too many crap teams in the World Cup now, thanks to Blatter's insistence that everyone gets a ride and a little plastic trophy to take home for the mantle. The expansion of the European Championships is the worst thing UEFA could've done to the tournament. It was nearly perfect as it was. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane 338 Posted March 20, 2012 Author Share Posted March 20, 2012 Offside for the record-breaker but still an incredible chip from all of about nine yards. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creampuff 22,628 Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 It's a better competition at 16 teams, so yeah. The 32 team World Cup is a diluted field, and outside the South American sides who would you say is a team that could consistently compete in the Euros?There's way too many crap teams in the World Cup now, thanks to Blatter's insistence that everyone gets a ride and a little plastic trophy to take home for the mantle. The expansion of the European Championships is the worst thing UEFA could've done to the tournament. It was nearly perfect as it was.Regarding a tournament that includes only European countries above one that includes them plus Brazil/Argentina/Japan/South Korea/Columbia/Basically all of South America/Mexico/USA..Doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rab_Rangers 38 Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 I thought he was level. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane 338 Posted March 20, 2012 Author Share Posted March 20, 2012 Regarding a tournament that includes only European countries above one that includes them plus Brazil/Argentina/Japan/South Korea/Columbia/Basically all of South America/Mexico/USA..Doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever.Because outside Brazil, Argentina, and Uruguay, none of them have ever threatened to win a tournament. The World Cup has more esteem to it, deservedly so, but the Euros are usually a better tournament as a spectator. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane 338 Posted March 20, 2012 Author Share Posted March 20, 2012 I thought he was level.Didn't catch the replay, had to go save the kid from dumping a set of picture frames on himself. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creampuff 22,628 Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 Because outside Brazil, Argentina, and Uruguay, none of them have ever threatened to win a tournament. The World Cup has more esteem to it, deservedly so, but the Euros are usually a better tournament as a spectator.But even if just for those teams, surely it makes the feat of winning the World Cup more impressive? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rfcfraserrfc 262 Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 still in the shadow of this man Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane 338 Posted March 20, 2012 Author Share Posted March 20, 2012 But even if just for those teams, surely it makes the feat of winning the World Cup more impressive?That's fair, yeah. May concede the World Cup v Euro argument, but the Champions League is the best collection of talent in a single competition. Messi dominates it like none other. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane 338 Posted March 20, 2012 Author Share Posted March 20, 2012 still in the shadow of this man 1a/1b in my little book. Zidane was easily my favorite player to watch growing up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam2102 582 Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 still in the shadow of this man this, i think people forget just how good zidane was. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Jela 20,701 Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 Gerry Armstrong He's actually praising Messi for celebrating someone else scoring. His love for them is fucking blatant and annoying, just shut the fuck up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Jela 20,701 Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 still in the shadow of this man Or Brazilian Ronaldo. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane 338 Posted March 20, 2012 Author Share Posted March 20, 2012 Hat-trick. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxo1873 201 Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 Hes pish Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieD 19,375 Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 cracking stuff Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sobatai 70 Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 1a/1b in my little book. Zidane was easily my favorite player to watch growing up.I know I'm going to get if for this but ... I always preferred Djorkaeff. Of that era I thought Pavel Nedved was the best player overall. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieD 19,375 Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 Alves Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sobatai 70 Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 Gerry Armstrong He's actually praising Messi for celebrating someone else scoring. His love for them is fucking blatant and annoying, just shut the fuck up.Gerry Armstrong is just annoying. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxo1873 201 Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 Paulino Alcántara is Barcelona's record goal score with 369 goals. Messi is pish he's only scored 234 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Jela 20,701 Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 Alves GIRFUY ya stinking wee cunt. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Jela 20,701 Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 Gerry Armstrong is just annoying.Most Barcelona fans are. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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