BigDak

I think Gerrard coming for Tav and Goldson with a high offer allows all parties to save face. Tav and Goldson save face as they get the glory of a high transfer and probably a great wee retirement package. The Club save face by receiving an offer which can't be refused for two of our longest serving players, rather than just trying to punt them for whatever we can. I know I'll get pushback on the need for the Club to save face. What I mean is that it doesn't look great us all looking to offload our record breaking captain, who's been at the Club for almost ten years, and vice captain, who has played almost every game since he's been here and has been (for all his faults) the best CH we've had in his time here. For what it's worth, I'm not against replacing them and I know they're both far from perfect, but I just think there should be a level of dignity/decorum when selling your captain (who has pulled us out of a lot of holes).

Yeah, I have to agree. When thinking about who we could've got after the split I was much more wary of Killie at Rugby Park than I was Hearts at Tynecastle. As you say, Hearts (and even Hibs) are that team where we seem to switch on and get a result whereas we're prone to switching off and getting punished for it against the smaller teams. Plus, I think it helps that Hearts don't just sit in like those other teams do which then makes the game more open.

Totally agree. He's been a breath of fresh air in there with his aggression in the tackle.

Aye, the guy said it should change automatically a wee while ago but it's still showing Via Play and there's loads of the channels not showing anything.

We've really missed Diomande.

Anyone with a fire stick know what channel the game is on? I'm watching it on RTV but fancied changing it up. However, my live TV is still showing Via Play not Premier Sport and it's not on that.

That's a fair point. Although, I don't think Tav is as bad defensively as either people make out or as he used to be. I felt like when Clement first came in he did put more emphasis on defenders defending and attackers attacking and it worked. Although maybe that was just to steady the ship. You do make a good point. But I just don't think Tav is the first person I'd get rid of. However, how do you strip the captaincy from someone and keep them in the first team or take them out the first team without completely demoralising them? At which point you're maybe best just getting rid.

Won't next season mark ten years at Ibrox for Tav? I don't think he'll be going anywhere and will, understandably, stay for his testimonial year. I also don't think we need to be throwing the baby out with the bathwater with him, either. Instead of getting rid of someone who has dug us out the hole so many times couldn't we keep him but take the emphasis off him being so important to the way the team plays? For the best part of ten years our game plan has been to get the ball out to the full backs for them to cross it in or otherwise distribute the ball. Can't we just shift our focus onto the midfield and forwards doing the attacking instead? These are rhetorical questions. Edit: I think it's 25/26 is his testimonial year

I was just thinking something similar earlier. I appreciate the team has been playing atrociously the last two games (and arguably before) but surely we, the fans, have to dust ourselves off and get back on track and show some belief - even if it's for nothing. I know people will say we need something from the team to believe in, and I agree, but I think we might need to do some of the heavy lifting ourselves and get fully behind the notion that we can still win this.

I mean, the Dessers and Morelos ones I was willing to accept, even though I think it's a bullshit rule, based on the player who kicked being in control of the ball first and the "offending" player jumps in front of him but doesn't touch the ball before being kicked. However, here, Carter-Vickers isn't in control of the ball first. There's no difference between that scenario there and a through ball being played down the line and the defender goes to kick the ball away but kicks the attacking player first. A free kick is given for that.

This is exactly my point. And showing folk around Ibrox or even taking them on the Founders Trail, while showing them what it all means, can't change their personality. Winning medals and being around winners does that

Thank you for actually reading my post. Evidently there are some hard of thinking fuck wits on here who appear to get triggered when certain terminology gets written. 3 trophies in 12 years. How anyone can look at where we are now and say that 2012 was no more than a wee 4 year skip out of the Premier League and a jaunt back up the leagues? On your last para, just to be clear, I wasn't saying anything about "look at where we were". If anything, I'm saying look at where we were before 2012 and how special that mentality was but this team doesn't seem to have it.

So you think showing folk around Ibrox and telling them the history of the club automatically turns them into battle hardened winners who can deal with the expectations and burden of playing for the club? It's that easy? You're a fucking idiot.

Agreed 👍🏻

So you think losing all but Lee McCulloch and Lee Wallace from the first team squad and replacing it with the likes of Emilson Cribari and Kevin Kyle, playing against the dross of Scottish football for 4 years and winning nothing took nothing away from the heart of what it means to be a successful, combatant, confident Rangers team with a back bone? You serious? The poster above actually makes my point completely. We've won the league, Scottish Cup and the League Cup once each since we came back up in 2016. How the fuck does that makes us winners? You don't build a winning mentality without winning things. We went on an amazing run to the EL final and still that team didn't believe in itself enough to beat the scum in the league that season. We put a great showing in the SC semi that season but again there was an underdog tone to that game. There was no expectation to win. I think this team does have heart but it's the heart of an underdog/chaser who can fight to get to the front of the pack then doesn't know what to do once it gets there. That's been lost.

What, expectation that they'll beat the Euro teams? Or expectation that they'll get beat off the scum? Or both?

I totally agree. I've no idea how this team doesn't believe in themselves but it doesn't seem like they do. I've no idea how they can convincingly beat really good teams in Europe then go and get beat off the scum. But they do.

How doesn't it? Are you trying to claim we're anywhere near the team we were before we went down? And I'm not talking about personnel. I'm talking about belief.

The way this team is makes me think of that scene in From Dusk Til Dawn where Harvey Keitel asked George Clooney: "Are you that much of a loser you don't know when you've won?". Or like a dog when it catches a rabbit and you can see it thinking "right I've caught it, what do I do now?". That's what the team is like when it gets to the top. They are so used to being underdogs and "also rans" that they don't know what it means to absorb the pressure of expectation and use it to push on to win. This has always been my concern, that what happened in 2012 was more than just having to work back up the leagues. It destroyed a team that was built 140(ish) years worth of success being handed down. We lost our first team, a team that was continuing on the same track as all that previous success and although the team was always changing the baton had been handed on from team to team over all those years with an expectation to win and be the best. When we had to down to the bottom the expectation was just go get back up to top as quickly as possible and even winning the leagues on the way wasn't really considered winning and we've never recovered.

Isn't Yilmaz injured? If not, why hasn't he been in the team? If he is, why are people putting him in their team?

Aye, I mean I appreciate the honest words but if he's trying to be defiant or give us confidence that they'll turn it around then he's failed miserably. I wish they'd all nut up. The power to turn this around lies with them. They need to get the bit between their collective teeth and fight. But from Sterling's speech they're just sitting there waiting on fate to decide for them and whether they win or lose is on someone else.

Aye, I'm the same. I didn't want to see Borna back in the team but it really isn't working with Sterling at left back. He was really bad for "doing a Borna" last night and turning back the way coz he wasn't confident crossing with his left - which is understandable. I'd even put Yfleko in there just to get some balance.

I'm clearly missing something but I don't get what people are raving about. The words he says, when written down, read well but listening to him say them he sounds absolutely void of confidence and drive. Although maybe that's just his personality and beneath that he's raging. He's got me worried if that's an indication of the general atmosphere around the team.

Exactly. It gives something to work on for next year. Especially if it's a close run last five games. I'm still hoping against hope that we're able to pick ourselves up for this run in and go out with a fight.

Guys, there's a lot of energy getting spent fighting over a moot point. As the numerous examples posed so far have shown, we can't possibly separate winning cups vs winning the league. They are both important and the whole is greater than the sum of its parts on this. Would anyone accept winning both cups each season for the next ten years and never winning the league? No. Would we accept winning the league every year for the next ten years but never winning any cups? Yeah, probably. Does that mean the cups are shite? No. They're still an important indicator of success and a great occasion.