Smile 26,624 Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 6 champions league games compared to 38 games a season in the EPLnow call me a realist here, but if shagger was THAT good, i.e better than gordon, then he would be in the EPL by now, or are we all on here better managers than the likeas of ferguson, wenger etcWhen did Wenger become a good manager he won fuck all in 6 years, You must have a soft spot for Gordon as he bloody average at best. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirWalterSmithLegend 206 Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 6 champions league games compared to 38 games a season in the EPLnow call me a realist here, but if shagger was THAT good, i.e better than gordon, then he would be in the EPL by now, or are we all on here better managers than the likeas of ferguson, wenger etcHe has played alot more 6 European games.I would say its much harder prizing away McGregor from Rangers than it was for Sunderland to buy Gordon from Hearts. Gordon doesnt play for Wenger or Ferguson either, he was signed by a clown, a clueless idiot who was mad enough to pay £9m for him! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
papaguy51 912 Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 I'd be amazed if no big clubs in England had shown an interest in McGregor.One thing for sure is that Greegs hasn't received the same (back page) media hype that Gordon got. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 25,077 Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 When did Wenger become a good manager he won fuck all in 6 years, You must have a soft spot for Gordon as he bloody average at best.if you think wenger isnt a good manager then theres no point in arguing with youno toher manager has went a whole season in the english game without losing a game, cept mr wenger Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirWalterSmithLegend 206 Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 I'd be amazed if no big clubs in England had shown an interest in McGregor.One thing for sure is that Greegs hasn't received the same (back page) media hype that Gordon got.That tells its own story but that would be me apparantly sounding paranoid getting into that! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunslinger 270 Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 greiggs has been better for years. god knows what the people who say otherwise are thinking., Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 25,077 Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 I would say its much harder prizing away McGregor from Rangers than it was for Sunderland to buy Gordon from Hearts. away with yewe are fucking skinto, clubs could get shagger for 5 million if they wanted, we all know thats how shabby our club has becomeremember that hearts debt is all linked to romanovs own bank, they didnt NEED the gordon money, it was just too good to turn downi only ever thought that gordon was better because he was more commanding in the air, recent games he has been poor yes, but again so is shagger at high ballsbut until they both play for roughly the same team in the same level of competition then its a non starter to compare them i still think that someone would have taken a chance with shagger, bad headlines or not, by now if they thought he was that good Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 25,077 Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 hes been better for years. god knows what the people who say otherwise are thinking.,who's been better than who? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieD 19,378 Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 until shagger comes up against the likes of the guys that gordon does a comparison is fucking pointlessHave you forgotten Shagger plays in the Champions League? And was one of the standouts on either team against the World and European champions a few months ago? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunslinger 270 Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 im talking about the amount of action they come under, gordon is busy always at sunderland, so its likely he'll make more mistakesdont forget some of shaggers howlers, tynecastle last season was it?both are exceptional keepers,it was about 3 years ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
papaguy51 912 Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 if you think wenger isnt a good manager then theres no point in arguing with youno toher manager has went a whole season in the english game without losing a game, cept mr wengerLiving in the past.All he's had in the trophy cabinet for the last five years is dust. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 25,077 Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 Living in the past.All he's had in the trophy cabinet for the last five years is dust.he's still a good manager though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirWalterSmithLegend 206 Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 away with yewe are fucking skinto, clubs could get shagger for 5 million if they wanted, we all know thats how shabby our club has becomeremember that hearts debt is all linked to romanovs own bank, they didnt NEED the gordon money, it was just too good to turn downi only ever thought that gordon was better because he was more commanding in the air, recent games he has been poor yes, but again so is shagger at high ballsbut until they both play for roughly the same team in the same level of competition then its a non starter to compare them i still think that someone would have taken a chance with shagger, bad headlines or not, by now if they thought he was that goodFrom a players point of view, you honestly think he would goto a mid to bottom table club from us? I dont.And as we all concede, front page headlines havnt helped his repuatation. Doesnt make him a worse keeper though, makes him better in my mind given that hes become so good even with the media campaign against him.Why did you only pick out one line from my post, did i have a point with the rest? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunslinger 270 Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 who's been better than who?edited Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 25,077 Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 just for you mateHe has played alot more 6 European games.I would say its much harder prizing away McGregor from Rangers than it was for Sunderland to buy Gordon from Hearts. Gordon doesnt play for Wenger or Ferguson either, he was signed by a clown, a clueless idiot who was mad enough to pay £9m for him!and gordon has featured in a wad of sunderland games, and sunderland have managed to stay in the EPL, so they are doing something right, that answers point 1 and 3and point 2 was answered in the last post to you as for gordon, the season where he has played the most games for sunderland, was 2007-2008, he played 34 games, and sunderland only conceded 44 goalsthats quite an impressive record for any keeper in a lower EPL team, only 6 teams conceded less than them from the 20 team EPL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunslinger 270 Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 he's still a good manager thoughas was george graham. but he hasnt won much recently either Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirWalterSmithLegend 206 Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 just for you mateand gordon has featured in a wad of sunderland games, and sunderland have managed to stay in the EPL, so they are doing something right, that answers point 1 and 3and point 2 was answered in the last post to you as for gordon, the season where he has played the most games for sunderland, was 2007-2008, he played 34 games, and sunderland only conceded 44 goalsthats quite an impressive record for any keeper in a lower EPL team, only 6 teams conceded less than them from the 20 team EPLJust amanged to stay in the league, is that it?Thats right, he had one exceptional year, i remember that one, but since then , hes been in, out, injured and making mistakes more regularly. Jim, i think Gordon is a fantastic keeper, just not as good as McGregor who has consistantly been better and arguably against better opposition. They both probably do play just as many hard games as each other every other season, McGregor has at least 4 Rangers Celtic games every season, 7 this season, and at least 6 European games, at least 8 this season. Gordon has 2 v Arsenal, 2 v Man U, 2 v Chelsea and 2 v Man City. Theres not much point debating it too much as neither party will give in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirWalterSmithLegend 206 Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 as was george graham. but he hasnt won much recently either Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smile 26,624 Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 if you think wenger isnt a good manager then theres no point in arguing with youno toher manager has went a whole season in the english game without losing a game, cept mr wengerDoesn't cover up for the last six years of poor management though,Plus Craig Gordons still not on the level of McGregor using your Analogy why was Gordon at Hearts and not Rangers if he was the best keeper in Scotland.A mourinho would have Arsenal winning trophies in two seasons maybe even his first season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tugbenson 13 Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 we are very lucky to hace a world class keeper in mcgregor Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alstone 374 Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 both of them are awesome, shagger does edge it for me though!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
broxi51 48 Posted February 12, 2011 Author Share Posted February 12, 2011 his save v werder gets better everytime i watch it, i would class it better than gorams v the scum.He hasn't being doing that great with penalties for a while though, for a stint there i thought he would save every one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueben_d 40 Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 Gordon has done pretty well in the EPL, but I would say the fact that none of the bigger clubs have looked to bring him in tells a story.Man U, Arsenal and spurs have all been looking for a keeper and Gordons name has never come up.... but shaggers has. Gordon is a great keeper, but shagger has been doing it week in week out for about 3 years straight and only made 2 or 3 serious errors. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrymorrison1 1,033 Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 Regarding papas view on keepers, I personally agree with him, and without trawling through the thread, Poland seem to have a knack for goalies, whether they world class, that is for another day I suppose! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
deleteduser1 169 Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 Allan McGregor ain't the Scotland number one - ahead of £9 million EPL keeper Gordon -for nothing. I've said it time and again on RM - Allan McGregor is the best goalkeeper in the world right now - bar none. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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