SirWalterSmithLegend 206 Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 The winner of the "pissing money away award" undoubtedly goes to Dick Advocaat.I disagree mate, although i do think he and his tenure was vastly over rated. Spending almost £100m to win a few SPL titles and get chased out of town by MON isnt exactly............great work. He did bring in several real quality players though who, as usual, failed in Europe. With £80m debt, the dream became a nightmare.Most of our dud players in the last 10 years were here under Eck and Le Guen and even nowadays a few under Walter, probably because less money to spend means inferior players but still on big bucks. All on big contracts, all sold for buttons or paid off costing us millions upon millions.Mr Bain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dundeebear3 0 Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 I disagree mate, although i do think he and his tenure was vastly over rated. Spending almost £100m to win a few SPL titles and get chased out of town by MON isnt exactly............great work. He did bring in several real quality players though who, as usual, failed in Europe. With £80m debt, the dream became a nightmare.Most of our dud players in the last 10 years were here under Eck and Le Guen and even nowadays a few under Walter, probably because less money to spend means inferior players but still on big bucks. All on big contracts, all sold for buttons or paid off costing us millions upon millions.Mr Bain.Every manager buys duds. None have a 100% record in that department.Considering the tight squeeze weve been in Wattie and Eck did ok, all things considered. The less said about Le Guen the better.I kinda agree about Advocaat. The first 18 months or so he had an excellent signing record, latterly he was a f*ckin long term disaster. Why he doesnt get more stick i dont know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plamf 39 Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 It's funny how Hutton can have one good 6 months and he's our best right back of the decade!That's what I was thinking but considering the right back trouble we've had he still probably is easily the best we've had there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plamf 39 Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 Every manager buys duds. None have a 100% record in that department.Considering the tight squeeze weve been in Wattie and Eck did ok, all things considered. The less said about Le Guen the better.I kinda agree about Advocaat. The first 18 months or so he had an excellent signing record, latterly he was a f*ckin long term disaster. Why he doesnt get more stick i dont know.Eck signed a heap of players not even good enough for the SPL never mind Rangers. It got to the point where pretty much every signing he made was a disaster. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirWalterSmithLegend 206 Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 Every manager buys duds. None have a 100% record in that department.Considering the tight squeeze weve been in Wattie and Eck did ok, all things considered. The less said about Le Guen the better.I kinda agree about Advocaat. The first 18 months or so he had an excellent signing record, latterly he was a f*ckin long term disaster. Why he doesnt get more stick i dont know.I know mate.Ecks player turnover was appaulling, he had some of the very worst players i have ever seen in a Rangers jersey yet still done pretty decent. When Dick ran out of money, he ran out of ideas. Maybe fans dont like criticising him maybe because he did bring some very good players in and wona few cups, but the cost was of that was still being felt even under Le Guen. These current problems have nothing to do with Advocaat, this is Murray, Bain and Smiths doing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirWalterSmithLegend 206 Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 Eck signed a heap of players not even good enough for the SPL never mind Rangers. It got to the point where pretty much every signing he made was a disaster.Almost. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dundeebear3 0 Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 I know mate.Ecks player turnover was appaulling, he had some of the very worst players i have ever seen in a Rangers jersey yet still done pretty decent. When Dick ran out of money, he ran out of ideas. Maybe fans dont like criticising him because he did bring some very good players in and wona few cups, but the cost was of that was still being felt even under Le Guen. These current problems have nothing to do with Advocaat, this is Murray, Bain and Smiths doing.The highlighted part is the only thing i disagree with. £80 million in debt is hard to get rid of, we are still paying the consequences of that debt today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amac9 2,060 Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 Dick Advocaat spent a lot of money. Some of it was spent well and the rest was throw down the drain.Good buys in terms of value/trophies won/sell on fee after:Numan - £4.5mVan Bronckhorst - £5mWallace - FreeMcCann - £2mKlos - £750,000Reyna £2mMols - £4mDodds - £1mTugay - ?Lovenkrands - £1.3mRicksen - £3.6mDe Boer - £4.5mCannigia - £1mArveladze - £2mDecent buys:Amato - £4.2mCharbonnier - £1mMiller - £2mFlo - £12m (scored a lot of goals and was sold for £6m)Awful buys (money wasted):Kanchelskis - £5.5mProdan - £2.5mHendry - £4mGuivarc'h - £3.5mKonterman - £4.3mChristiansen - £1.3mGayle - £1mNerlinger - £2mBall - £6.5m Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirWalterSmithLegend 206 Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 The highlighted part is the only thing i disagree with. £80 million in debt is hard to get rid of, we are still paying the consequences of that debt today.The debt was under control, i read somewhere it was £5/6m when PLG took over, indeed he had a transfer budget and decided not to use it all. We were fine financially then. Losing to Kaunas then spending £15m? is what sent us on our way to where we are now. Thats a £30m swing, loss of revenue. When Walter took over there was no financial scaremongering, we were not penny pinching, we went out and signed who we wanted.1 very bad year and we are only just starting to recover. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dundeebear3 0 Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 Flo was an awful buy, De Boer wasnt so fantastic either.Both cost us big time on transfers and wages(we had to pay these guys £40,000?? or so per week).All that for SPL success. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dundeebear3 0 Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 The debt was under control, i read somewhere it was £5/6m when PLG took over, indeed he had a transfer budget and decided not to use it all. We were fine financially then. Losing to Kaunas then spending £15m? is what sent us on our way to where we are now. Thats a £30m swing, loss of revenue. When Walter took over there was no financial scaremongering, we were not penny pinching, we went out and signed who we wanted.1 very bad year and we are only just starting to recover.Im pretty sure we were in more debt than £5/6 million. In the last decade i dont think weve been in debt of below £15-18 million, and that was after a less than successful share issue.Anyone know the figures? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirWalterSmithLegend 206 Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 Im pretty sure we were in more debt than £5/6 million. In the last decade i dont think weve been in debt of below £15-18 million, and that was after a less than successful share issue.Anyone know the figures?Bluedell and boss are probably the only two i would trust with our figures. Maybe they will know.There is no way in the world we were £15m in debt when Walter took over. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex_the_ger 1 Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 McGregorHuttonCuellarRicksenNumanLovenkrandsArtetaFerguson (before bb)AlbertzPrsoMolsSubs, Klos, Bougherra, Andrews, Reyna, Novo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plamf 39 Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 The highlighted part is the only thing i disagree with. £80 million in debt is hard to get rid of, we are still paying the consequences of that debt today.We have actually 2 or 3 times in the past 10 years largely sorted our finances out only for them to be mismanaged again by Bain and Murray. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plamf 39 Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 McGregorHuttonCuellarRicksenNumanLovenkrandsArtetaFerguson (before bb)AlbertzPrsoMolsSubs, Klos, Bougherra, Andrews, Reyna, NovoRicksen at centre back? Lovenkrands right midfield? hmm... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gash07 26 Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 Withdraw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dundeebear3 0 Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 Bluedell and boss are probably the only two i would trust with our figures. Maybe they will know.There is no way in the world we were £15m in debt when Walter took over. Fair enough.I found an article from a few years ago which mentions a debt of 5/6 million at one stage. After a share issue underwritten by Murray. A healthy dose of creative accounting id suggest which made the figures look better than they actually were. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz52 11,837 Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 McGregorHuttonWeirCuellarNumanMcCannReynaFergusonAlbertzMolsBoydWent for something a bit different Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirWalterSmithLegend 206 Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 We have actually 2 or 3 times in the past 10 years largely sorted our finances out only for them to be mismanaged again by Bain and Murray.I would agree with that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirWalterSmithLegend 206 Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 Fair enough.I found an article from a few years ago which mentions a debt of 5/6 million at one stage. After a share issue underwritten by Murray. A healthy dose of creative accounting id suggest which made the figures look better than they actually were. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasGers 96 Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 Good to see a number of people including Reyna despite the fact he only really had a few seasons and was shuffled around in different positions Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirWalterSmithLegend 206 Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 Good to see a number of people including Reyna despite the fact he only really had a few seasons and was shuffled around in different positionsHe was a right good player too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasGers 96 Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 He was a right good player too.Believe me, I know- favorite player of all time and the reason I started following Rangers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirWalterSmithLegend 206 Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 Believe me, I know- favorite player of all time and the reason I started following Rangers Brilliant mate, thats nice.I take it you are a keen supporter of Mo too then? I bet you were disappointed it never quite worked out for Damarcus, i was. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasGers 96 Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 Brilliant mate, thats nice.I take it you are a keen supporter of Mo too then? I bet you were disappointed it never quite worked out for Damarcus, i was.Yeah, was excited when both of them came to Rangers. It was a shame DMB never got over his myriad of injuries, and I still hold hope Edu can find his form like he had at the end of the 08/09 season, we'll see what happens these next few months. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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