54andcounting 627 Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 The tax authorities have denied claims that Rangers Football Club is being treated unfairly over its tax debts.Craig Whyte, who took over the club last year, had suggested that officials seemed to be determined to "make an example" of Rangers.The Ibrox club was forced into administration last week over an unpaid tax bill of £9m.HMRC said its action against Rangers was a last resort and that it did not do deals on tax with companies.A spokesman for HMRC said: "We can't discuss specific cases for legal reasons, but tax that has been deducted at source from the wages of players and support staff, such as ground keepers and physios, must be paid over to HMRC."Any business that fails to meet that basic legal requirement puts the survival of the business at risk."In a statement issued on Tuesday, Mr Whyte said: "Given that HMRC had seen fit to reach agreements with huge corporations owing far more than Rangers - Vodafone, for example - it was difficult to understand why they were being so inflexible unless, of course, they were simply determined to make an example of Rangers."But that suggestion was flatly rejected by the HMRC spokesman.He added: "Any business that regards paying tax as an optional extra after other expenses are met, or that uses tax collected from employees or customers as working capital, is potentially heading for trouble."There is little HMRC can do for a business - be it a football club or not - whose viability is dependent either on not paying the UK taxes to which they are liable, or on special treatment not available to other customers with similar tax affairs."Note:"Any business that fails to meet that basic legal requirement puts the survival of the business at risk" Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senna 735 Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Compared to how Vodafone were dealt with, I'd argue we have been treated a bit shittily. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creampuff 22,628 Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 We are being made an example out of. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverBlue_Since91 2,895 Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Compared to how Vodafone were dealt with, I'd argue we have been treated a bit shittily.But Craig Whyte was given a deal, and the cunt still never paid up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBluebells 6,898 Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 We are being made an example out of.Pretty much, trying to send out a clear message to other clubs in the same position. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StudsLonniegan 9 Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 I would believe Whyte over those "we don't do deals" lying bastards at HMRC, voda/goldman/Arsenal to name a few, they are upset 'arry stiffed them good and proper and every fucker laughing they went to court and wasted £10 million of taxpayers over no evidence, they are the fucks that should be jailed for collusion and fuckin incompetence. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caseyjones 3,009 Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 VAT should be paid within three months, PAYE within fourteen days.There can be little complaint. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
minstral 5,375 Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 The same Tax People who have been leaking info to the Pacific Shelf 595 Limited minded beasts. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonbryce 63 Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 The tax authorities have denied claims that Rangers Football Club is being treated unfairly over its tax debts.Craig Whyte, who took over the club last year, had suggested that officials seemed to be determined to "make an example" of Rangers.The Ibrox club was forced into administration last week over an unpaid tax bill of £9m.HMRC said its action against Rangers was a last resort and that it did not do deals on tax with companies.A spokesman for HMRC said: "We can't discuss specific cases for legal reasons, but tax that has been deducted at source from the wages of players and support staff, such as ground keepers and physios, must be paid over to HMRC."Any business that fails to meet that basic legal requirement puts the survival of the business at risk."In a statement issued on Tuesday, Mr Whyte said: "Given that HMRC had seen fit to reach agreements with huge corporations owing far more than Rangers - Vodafone, for example - it was difficult to understand why they were being so inflexible unless, of course, they were simply determined to make an example of Rangers."But that suggestion was flatly rejected by the HMRC spokesman.He added: "Any business that regards paying tax as an optional extra after other expenses are met, or that uses tax collected from employees or customers as working capital, is potentially heading for trouble."There is little HMRC can do for a business - be it a football club or not - whose viability is dependent either on not paying the UK taxes to which they are liable, or on special treatment not available to other customers with similar tax affairs."Note:"Any business that fails to meet that basic legal requirement puts the survival of the business at risk"The Vodafone case was about a disputed capital gains tax bill. They took over a German company called Mannesmann, and then almost immediately sold one of its subsidiaries, Orange, to satisfy competition authorities. The dispute would be about how much of the purchase price of Mannesmann related to Orange, and therefore how much of a profit, if any, they made from selling Orange. Valuations are pretty subjective, and that's why HMRC might choose to agree a deal with them.I'm pretty sure Vodafone pay the basic PAYE on staff salaries and VAT on phone bills every month without any fuss, so no direct comparison with Rangers there. I don't know if Vodafone used EBTs to pay director's bonuses, but if they did, presumably HMRC would look at them as closely as they are at Rangers. They are more likely to work at Vodafone if there is no clause in the contract saying they are entitled to the bonus. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverBlue_Since91 2,895 Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 I would believe Whyte over those "we don't do deals" lying bastards at HMRC, voda/goldman/Arsenal to name a few, they are upset 'arry stiffed them good and proper and every fucker laughing they went to court and wasted £10 million of taxpayers over no evidence, they are the fucks that should be jailed for collusion and fuckin incompetence. After everyone found out about the vodafone deal that when HMRC stopped doing deals. HMRC did offer Whyte a deal and then whyte tried to offer them less than what they had tried to agree with him. I canny believe people would still believe Craig Whyte over anyone. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan_ger 1,454 Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 HMRC are referring to this as if it were the small tax case. CW was talking about the big tax case when referring to the vodafone case.They are trying to screw us over for publicity in the big tax case. The small tax case is maybe a bit more questionable. We should be paying our PAYE and NI without any question. However they may well have had their backs up about the big case and tried to screw us on that too. We will know soon enough. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wbairds 24 Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 We are being made an example out of.vodafone didnt owe paye nat ins and vatthats the big difference Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senna 735 Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 After everyone found out about the vodafone deal that when HMRC stopped doing deals. HMRC did offer Whyte a deal and then whyte tried to offer them less than what they had tried to agree with him. I canny believe people would still believe Craig Whyte over anyone.I can't believe you're posting in a topic that's not about Sellick. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caseyjones 3,009 Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 I can't believe you're posting in a topic that's not about Sellick. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.T.G 10,773 Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 He should have paid it across, had he delivered on his promises and told the truth then we wouldnt be in the shitHe is a cringeworthy wee bastard Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StudsLonniegan 9 Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 vodafone didnt owe paye nat ins and vatthats the big differenceAye, the got away with near £6 billion not a lot of difference if you canny count. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wbairds 24 Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Aye, the got away with near £6 billion not a lot of difference if you canny count.it was not paye etc,which if you dont pay is a criminal offensetheirs was capital transfer tax Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creampuff 22,628 Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 vodafone didnt owe paye nat ins and vatthats the big differenceI was talking about the big case, clearly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossDas 1,071 Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 What I want to know is was he telling the truth about HMRCs apparent intent to repeatedly appeal against the outcome of the tax case in the event of us winning it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creampuff 22,628 Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 it was not paye etc,which if you dont pay is a criminal offensetheirs was capital transfer taxDoesn't make a difference, the crux is that they let ThemAway with billions but won't cut a reasonable deal with us. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawdeepLoyal 94 Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 The same Tax People who have been leaking info to the Pacific Shelf 595 Limited minded beasts.Criminal activity that has NOT been acted upon internally, and no Police involvement.The plod were quick enough to take the file from AJ on the takeover though. The whole thing stinks.Everyone knows why, but in the new scottish republic the truth is not welcomed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StudsLonniegan 9 Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 After everyone found out about the vodafone deal that when HMRC stopped doing deals. HMRC did offer Whyte a deal and then whyte tried to offer them less than what they had tried to agree with him. I canny believe people would still believe Craig Whyte over anyone.A bet you still believe in equitable tax chappy, after they got found out PMFSL. Who needs enemies wi punters like you posting shit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wbairds 24 Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Doesn't make a difference, the crux is that they let ThemAway with billions but won't cut a reasonable deal with us.[/quovmabte]there is no deal to be cut until the ruling is outanything else is coming from whytei never thought i would believe the taxman Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunslinger 270 Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 The tax authorities have denied claims that Rangers Football Club is being treated unfairly over its tax debts.Craig Whyte, who took over the club last year, had suggested that officials seemed to be determined to "make an example" of Rangers.The Ibrox club was forced into administration last week over an unpaid tax bill of £9m.HMRC said its action against Rangers was a last resort and that it did not do deals on tax with companies.A spokesman for HMRC said: "We can't discuss specific cases for legal reasons, but tax that has been deducted at source from the wages of players and support staff, such as ground keepers and physios, must be paid over to HMRC."Any business that fails to meet that basic legal requirement puts the survival of the business at risk."In a statement issued on Tuesday, Mr Whyte said: "Given that HMRC had seen fit to reach agreements with huge corporations owing far more than Rangers - Vodafone, for example - it was difficult to understand why they were being so inflexible unless, of course, they were simply determined to make an example of Rangers."But that suggestion was flatly rejected by the HMRC spokesman.He added: "Any business that regards paying tax as an optional extra after other expenses are met, or that uses tax collected from employees or customers as working capital, is potentially heading for trouble."There is little HMRC can do for a business - be it a football club or not - whose viability is dependent either on not paying the UK taxes to which they are liable, or on special treatment not available to other customers with similar tax affairs."Note:"Any business that fails to meet that basic legal requirement puts the survival of the business at risk"whyte forced the tax man into this knowing they would put us in administration. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54andcounting 627 Posted February 22, 2012 Author Share Posted February 22, 2012 Was it difficult for us to deal with HMRC because of the:Vodafone deal ?CW history with them ?It is Rangers ?CW tried to be to smart (not) ?Tims- no one likes us ?Or if you are mega paranoid ? All of the above.The only thing I am still not clear about is, why was it allowed to go on for so long! Was there stacks of tax demands behind the door at ibrox. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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