Turnberry18 3,204 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 1 minute ago, Big Al II said: I think it's easier to adapt going from more time slower paced match than to less time faster paced more physical style. That's not to say he'll turn out be any good. I have concerns about three aspects of his game, that I hoped he would have, and doesn't seem to have: he doesn't seem to have much pace; he doesn't seem particularly strong on the ball; he doesn't seem especially creative, in the sense he can cut in and out and create chances from mid to forward. Those are three things the top midfielders have; I don't see those. I hope he comes good, and I even convinced myself he would come good, but if I trust my instincts, he doesn't have what we really need. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sausagetrunks 6,025 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 Good players fit in straight away, him and the other Mexican are pish. Waste of money Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johanhentze 14,096 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 5 minutes ago, sausagetrunks said: Good players fit in straight away, him and the other Mexican are pish. Waste of money Cristiano Ronaldo was pish for a season and a half when he came to Man U. Countless class players have failed in England, for instance. Some players simply require more time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
backup 4,724 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 Just now, johanhentze said: Cristiano Ronaldo was pish for a season and a half. Countless class players have failed in England, for instance. Some players simply require more time. we don’t have time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sausagetrunks 6,025 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 Just now, johanhentze said: Cristiano Ronaldo was pish for a season and a half. Countless class players have failed in England, for instance. Some players simply require more time. Well I hope your right but my money is on them being pish Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turnberry18 3,204 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 1 minute ago, johanhentze said: Cristiano Ronaldo was pish for a season and a half when he came to Man U. Countless class players have failed in England, for instance. Some players simply require more time. I'm not sure that was quite the case. Ronaldo had pace, he had control on the ball, and he could cross and pass the ball. It was a question of knowing the game more when it came to him, and he learned that under one of the best. This is not the best example. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johanhentze 14,096 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 Just now, sausagetrunks said: Well I hope your right but my money is on them being pish Nobody really knows, thats my point. He might come good, he might not. Some players just dont deal with the increase in pace/pressure well and panic a bit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johanhentze 14,096 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, Turnberry18 said: I'm not sure that was quite the case. Ronaldo had pace, he had control on the ball, and he could cross and pass the ball. It was a question of knowing the game more when it came to him, and he learned that under one of the best. This is not the best example. He was a very frustrating player.. always making the wrong decisions and losing the ball. As good an example as any. There are others as well.... Diego Forlán at Man U. Pish. Atletico??? Very good. Another thing... there were a couple of times Pena ran through defences and was almost through... he showed pace and power those times only to be hacked down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueSuedeSambas 53,861 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 10 minutes ago, psb07158 said: Did you just compare an English Championship flop with a guy who has over 200 games in Liga MX and Mexico international caps? I compared their apparent attitudes and what they are contributing to us, which collectively is fuck all. It's all fine and well reeling off Pena's CV but if he's doing nothing for the club then it's meaningless and so far he's done nothing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverAndEver 71,570 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 6 minutes ago, johanhentze said: Cristiano Ronaldo was pish for a season and a half when he came to Man U. Countless class players have failed in England, for instance. Some players simply require more time. Ronaldo was 18 and went to Man United. Pena is 27 playing for Rangers. Big difference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverAndEver 71,570 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 Mexican caps mean fuck all really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trueblueal 2,117 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 His qualities are as a powerful runner, good timing into the box, brave with good attacking instincts, doesn't hesitate to shoot. This is what I've read on him and also seems borne out in online highlights. He isn't and never will be a silky balk player like a David Silva type. I have faith that he can come good and end up a favourite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turnberry18 3,204 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 Just now, johanhentze said: He was a very frustrating player.. always making the wrong decisions and losing the ball. As good an example as any. There are others as well.... Diego Forlán at Man U. Pish. Atletico??? Very good. They are not similar; probably the first time I've disagreed with you on a football point! Those players had something; with Ronaldo he was very "showy" on the ball, like as if he was a mere entertainer rather than winner, and of course the rest is history. This is about the raw ingredients to a player's game. Pena has attributes, even I can see them: he finds very good positions; he is neat on the ball; and he can score a goal out of nothing now and again, from what I've seen so far. I think we thought we were getting a much better player than the one we are seeing. I hope I'm wrong, and that you're right; I have my doubts though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johanhentze 14,096 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 Just now, ForeverAndEver said: Ronaldo was 18 and went to Man United. Pena is 27 playing for Rangers. Big difference. But still... a lot of people wrote off the former only for him to become (arguably) the best player in the World. Many didnt see that coming. Thats my point. Sometimes time is required. But, as I said, nobody knows how it will pan out.. Im just willing to give him time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterD 7,435 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 You can find examples of anything to try and excuse a player. Ronaldo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turnberry18 3,204 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 Just now, johanhentze said: But still... a lot of people wrote off the former only for him to become (arguably) the best player in the World. Many didnt see that coming. Thats my point. Sometimes time is required. But, as I said, nobody knows how it will pan out.. Im just willing to give him time. The example of Ronaldo is not one I would use; sorry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johanhentze 14,096 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, ForeverAndEver said: Mexican caps mean fuck all really. Why not? Mexico are currently rated 14th in the World and the Mexican league 11th. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johanhentze 14,096 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 1 minute ago, Turnberry18 said: The example of Ronaldo is not one I would use; sorry. Im not comparing the players, obviously. I am just highlighting the fact that sometimes people are too quick to write off a player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverAndEver 71,570 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 Just now, johanhentze said: Why not? Mexico are currently rated 14th in the World and the Mexican league 11th. Efrain Juarez had double his. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turnberry18 3,204 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 Just now, johanhentze said: Im not comparing the players, obviously. I am just highlighting the fact that sometimes people are too quick to write off a player. Yes, I know, I was speaking about the example; I acknowledge you are not comparing the players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johanhentze 14,096 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, MasterD said: You can find examples of anything to try and excuse a player. Ronaldo I am not excusing anyone. My point was that writing off a player when he has hardly had any game time is just daft. The players are not comparable, of course. That much was obvious. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johanhentze 14,096 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 1 minute ago, ForeverAndEver said: Efrain Juarez had double his. I know. Perhaps he couldnt adapt? Diego Forlán was pish in England, but brilliant in Spain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trueblueal 2,117 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 1 minute ago, johanhentze said: I know. Perhaps he couldnt adapt? Diego Forlán was pish in England, but brilliant in Spain. Juan Veron was a genius player who couldn't adapt at Man Utd. It looks like Pena is struggling to adapt but let's hope it clicks because his pedigree suggests he has ability Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turnberry18 3,204 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 1 minute ago, johanhentze said: I know. Perhaps he couldnt adapt? Diego Forlán was pish in England, but brilliant in Spain. I never thought of Forlan as a bad player, in fact when he was having trouble with his form at Man Utd I hoped we might try and get him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al 55 9,275 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 26 minutes ago, Turnberry18 said: I have concerns about three aspects of his game, that I hoped he would have, and doesn't seem to have: he doesn't seem to have much pace; he doesn't seem particularly strong on the ball; he doesn't seem especially creative, in the sense he can cut in and out and create chances from mid to forward. Those are three things the top midfielders have; I don't see those. I hope he comes good, and I even convinced myself he would come good, but if I trust my instincts, he doesn't have what we really need. There are concerns, but too early to make anything more than an instinctive judgement, that may turn out to be enough...but it's pretty harsh at this point IMO. People abusing him on Twitter is just awful. I thought its this sort of thing that made us better than them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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