come on the gers

Yes, will renew again this year.

Many thanks for that info, I was just thinking yesterday about your first post (about contacting Ellis) and hoped you might be on again soon, and here you are with an update.

Even when you do not know the person it is sad to hear of a fellow Bears passing. R.I.P.

I did Fog.

But, what if the development side of things IS in the best interests of the club? Thats the way I see it anyway. We, Rangers, NEED to generate more income streams, especially if we want to be getting up to the level that I think ALL fans want? We just cant do it on the income we get now, so,it is vitally important that we look at things like this in order to thrive. I agree 'outlaw', while I have no idea if Ellis is the real deal or not I see no problem with using the outside ground to help the club, providing that is what he wants to do.

You just could not make this up, the more they say the better it gets.

Great post, please e-mail it to all the media people you can. I know most will ignore it but someone might run with some of your points.

It is indeed,and this older bear will not be tempting fate by having a go.

We need Admin. on here to work with Admin. on FF and every other Rangers forum to get this off the ground as a matter of urgency. Let's stop looking to others and take matters into our own hands. We can do this, it's all about being positive and pulling together. Maybe the people who are organising the protest on Sunday would be a good place to go with this idea.

Exactly, we're all in this together, we all have a part to play. The common denominator in all of this is our love of Rangers and ultimately it's up to us, all of us, to do whatever we can to save the club.

Did someone say something funny?......Sorry, must have missed it. The £2k is to go where.......exactly? I thought that was obvious...... to reduce the debt and get the bank out of Ibrox. We have to start somewhere and it's my opinion that the very existence of our club rests with us, the fans. If we all pull in the same direction we can do it, it's all about togetherness and doing all you can no matter how small it may seem. I do think your idea needs to be taken seriously, but it will have to be organised from a central point by people who we can trust. If that happens I would put in what I could. Good luck if you can take this forward in any way.

I'm sure everyone is aware of that mate. IMO, the inference of division is one that is often exaggerated anyway. Yes, there may be a few vocal members of various sites who choose to lose focus on occasion but, in general, the allegation of inter-site battles is a red herring. This tread is full of hope as far as I am concerned, with people rallying behind the statement. Let's hope it continues Frankie because while we the fans of our great club might have different views on how to save it, our aim of a well run financially secure club must surely all be the same.

TRUTH - PURE AND SIMPLE START TALKING SUPPORT THE TEAM - QUESTION THE REGIME INFORMATION COSTS NOTHING IT'S SEASON TICKET TIME SOON SIR WALTER - BLUE TO THE CORE or more tongue in cheek - not advocating these: AT LEAST WALTER'S NOT A BANKER WE WON'T TAKE MUCH MUIR Some great ideas there BOSS.

I agree with all of the above, I think the statement is very good and it is time that we the fans were treated with some repect, the time to make ourselves heard has arrived.

First of all I ain't f*****g gay, but I will take that as a joke. If you had read the small number of posts I have made you will see I am one of the few that SUPPORTS taking some kind of action so I assume you and I are on the same side ? I never jump into things without knowing the facts and I might well contact 'Iniesta' for more information if it does not appear here before. Also it was me who said before you that there is plenty of time before a week on Sunday to sort things out.

With respect, I don't think anyone needs my blessing to make up their mind on the pros and cons of the protest and whether to support it. Every bear is more than capable of making up their own mind - especially someone as learned as your good self! To be clear though: I support the idea of a protest in principle, but - like you - need more information before I can commit to supporting it properly. I don't think that is unreasonable - just rightfully cautious. I will indeed in the end make up my own mind Frankie, what I mean by 'your blessing' is that I have respect for your posts and I know you have good contacts that I do not have and what you decide will help me in making my decision. Keep up the goog work.

Not at all. There's plenty of genuine interest and support on here. I agree, many people like myself who rarely post will be waiting to see more information on what is planned before backing the Sunday 14th protest, but apart from about 4 or 5 members on here who are against doing anything (and I respect their opinions even if they are diffenent from my owen, which is that the time for somthing to be done by the fans is fast approaching) I think many more will be reading with interest. I will probably need someone like 'Frankie' to give this his blessing before I will take part, but we are more than a week away so plenty of time yet.

There is much truth in this. The way the potential purchasers appear to be behaving does them few favours. There is an irony insofar as the calls for clarity from Muir/LBG are rather much louder than the calls for clarity from the 'consortium'. I wrote an article the other week calling for the consortium to come out of hiding. While this protest thread may mention the bank per se, it was posted more to show there are many parties at fault for their communication. The only constant and credible fact that I can see is that our manager seems hugely worried about our club's future and finds it prudent to raise it every so often. That, along with people I trust (and some I don't even know but have no reason to disbelieve given their record on inside info) saying the same things, makes me worried enough to suggest we need to apply pressure to said parties. I know little about who the consortium are but agree they need to show themselves to the ordinory Rangers fan if they want us to back them, I also feel that any protest should be aimed at the lack of information coming from the borad as much as Lloyds. When all is said and done it is the fans who make a club not the directors/owners. What I do believe after reading the posts on this subject is that we need to try and come together as a support and not let the situation get worse because we think 'something will happen' without us the fans making a stand. "We are the people", so let's remind the bank, the board and anyone wanting to buy us that we the fans are ready to make a stand to rescue the club we all love and support.

Great post mate... Thanks Frankie, it is not often I come out of the woodwork and post but this is the future of our club that is at stake.

I have read this far to find one person who like me voted yes (under the right circumstances) to post, all the other posts are from people who voted no. I am not sure if it is solely the bank we need to protest against, it is the fact that no real information is avaiable to us fans who very soon will be asked to pay in my case £500.00 + for my season ticket. I very much want and no doubt will re-new my ticket but if our club is still in this uncertain state by May then I will have to give it some consideration. One of the points raised by many posters is that they cannot work with one group or another, can I just say I would work with Lucifer himself if it ment saving our club and being able to once again be able to buy a player and be in a safe financial state, surely our great club means more to us than petty disagreements between supporter groups. I have never as far as I can remember protested against anything, but saving Rangers Football Club would be one time I would give it serious consideration.

Well done Rangers.

Rangers are solvent. They have agreed a business plan with the bank that requires the borrowing to reduce by £1m per year. The bank in the meantime receive interest. Rangers have so far been able to adhere to the business plan without selling major assets like Davis, Bougie, McGregor, Boyd, or Murray Park. A league win this year with the subsequent CL money will stabalise the position further. So there seems little risk that the bank won't receive all their money, albeit eventually. Furthermore, I see no evidence of the fabled 60p in the pound deals for comparable, solvent businesses and the bank is certainly not going to want to set a precedent among football clubs. Also, if a deal of less than full repayment is done with the bank, does anyone believe that Liewell wouldn't try to attack us under SPL Rule A6.8, with particular reference to the definition of "Insolvency Event"? Whether he would succeed I'd need to defer to the lawyers. I'd like to think that prospective purchasers have already taken advice on this matter; but I hae ma doots. Finally, there has been much speculation of the bank's price being the amount of the debt and that gets you the shares as well. Bottom line is that none of us know that for sure. Do you think that SDM would not then fight for a price for his shares also? Every day that passes is another day that SDM/MIH/PPG's position may improve. Will SDM survive? Who knows. Could SDM survive? It's possible. Taking all that into account I am surprised that any prospective bidders can have any reason for believing an offer of 60p in the pound would even be taken seriously by the bank. The unseemly, behind-the-scenes games that some prospective bidders are playing with OUR club are a disgrace. I sense that there are many more than just me wishing to see either the colour of their money, or the back of their Bentley as they drive off into the sunset, and leave us in peace until we win the league. Many thanks for that BOSS, it helps us non-financial minded people to read the views of someone who is.