the not winning part i agree they are glory hunters but fans who dont go coz they dont get entertained i can sympathise with them its soul destroying sitting through 90 mins watch us its really really hard thats 2 different types a fans imo then there is the clueless doormats who go out of sheer resiliance no matter what shite is served up, we have a few of them as well, the fans murray brainwashed and took the pish out of for years