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I don't think I'm particularly ignorant mate. I am curious to get to the bottom of the real story minus all of the passion and wounded pride. Is the HMRC invetigation still on-going? If it is what is the likely outcome? It's a simple enough question and I would still very much like an answer. The guy in the video at the start of this thinks it's the beginning of a cusade against all of British football by the HMRC. Is he right and what could this mean for our club in its current position? Are we over the worst of it now? A sensible discussion would be welcomed.

This is just burying our heads in the sands guys. The fact is some very dodgey shit did go on under Murray. I'm pleased that the EBT thing won't affect Green and Co, but I do think it's ouragous how bad things got under Murray. I'm not saying we should be endlessly punished for it, we have been more than punished enough. But I make no appologies for wanting to support a club that does engage in good governance and sound business practices. Go ahead vote me down for saying I don't support corruption. If you do it's simply a vote saying you do. I'm tired fighting you guys and fighting for this club. I think it's pretty screwed up when you get voted down for saying honesty and decency are good things. But have it your way if you want. Edit: And for the record I don't believe I'm the only Rangers fan by a long measure who wants to see our club act in a squeeky clean way and to see all of the rotten apples discarded, not just from our club, but from British football as a whole. We have all spent too long living on the never never, spending money we didn't have on things we couldn't afford, while the rich and wealthy of the world (not just in football) all had their hands in the till. I think wew are pretty much probably there at our club. I hope Green lives up to the mark and can lead us back down that narrow path. But whatever happens I don't want to see us getting in a similar mess again.

Well if Rangers can make a fresh start then that's all I wanted to know. I don't get you guys though. I get voted down for saying I hadn't really read into all of the EBT thing until very recently? Because I said I want our club to be a honest decent upstanding example in football? Because I think football clubs paying their taxes is a good thing, just like most of us on here have to pay our taxes? What the fuck do you guys want anyway? What does somebody have to do to prove they're a Rangers supporter? Cut their throats and bleed red, white and blue? I don't think having an opinion that what Murray and the rest of his cronies got up to was beyond forgiving is by any measure wrong or biased. Surely none of the guys here are saying what he did was justified? I just hope Green can pull the whole thing off and that he can lead us down a straight and narrow path. I don't want crooks and criminals running our club and if you want to vote me down for saying it then so be it. And as for all of this shite about me being a 'Tim', sorry to disapoint you boys, but I'm actually an atheist. I think all religion is bollocks. It has nothing to do with the reasons why I support this club.

I'm a republican (nothing to do with Irish), an aetheist (I think all religion is bollocks) a SNP supporter and a Rangers supporter since before I could talk. (Which at this point is over 40 years.) So go figure with your narrow minded definition of what a Rangers supporter should or shouldn't be! For the record the national team doesn't interest me that much, not because of any of the shite you spouted about them, but mostly because they are often quite boring to watch and rarely live up to expectations. I certainly wouldn't ever dream of disrepecting them. One day hopefully this will all be over and we will have to come together again as football fans and as a country.

OK I know this is probably (very) old news. But I don't think I really understood the whole EBT thing until I watched this: I know a lot of guys here probably think Thomson is statan incarnate and that he has it in for our club. But I'm not sure how true that is. He seems like a journalist who is on to a story about the state of corporate governance within British football. Frankly after watching the video, I'm shocked and horrified to the level of corruption that went on under Murray. I work and pay my taxes (as no doubt do most of the guys here) and I see no reason why the wealthy and powerful should be allowed to avoid paying their taxes. I think he may well even have a point, don't want my club to be run by a bunch of corrupt, tax avoiding cunts. I want us to be squeeky clean and to be able to ballance our books and to pay our debts and our taxes like any responsible company should. Don't get me wrong, I do think we have been shafted in every concievable way possible. By Murray (probably even more so that Whyte), then by Whyte himself, by the SFA, the SPL - and a large segment of the Scottish press and journalists, who are in many cases motivated by sheer bigotry - which they have shown in abundance. But it does't change the fact that I want to support a club I can be proud of. A club that works hard, behaves honestly and treats it's emploees and fans faily and responsibly. Will Charles Green bring this? Maybe. There's certainly nothing in his history that speaks of any kind of corruption. But what worries me and I don't understand is, is this EBT thing over? What happens if the HMRC find against us? Does this mean that newco Rangers will be made responsible for this 50 million? I'm worried because wouldn't owing that much money pretty much sink us for good? I think the HMRC are probably pretty keen on pursuing this, as RangersFC probably only represented the tip of the iceberg as far as all the tax avoidance scams in British football are concerned. I don't get the impression that this is just going to all go away. The ideal scenario (from my point of view) if the HMRC do pursue this, would be for them to say that newco Rangers are not resposible for the oldco's debts - but that Murray and White and all of those other fucks who had their hands in the till should be prosecuted and thrown in jail for tax avoidance. Maybe it will be a stain on our club's history, but it could signal a long overdue shakeup of all of British football too. We won't be in it alone. Sometimes think you need to shake things up quite hard, to dislodge all of the rotten apples from the tree.

Link requires registration: It's nice to hear some positivity for a change.

This is good and high spirited and the SPL and SFA are definitely a bag of cunts etc. Telling us we don't have archive rights to our own games is utter bullshit. But I am extremely nervous about all of this. We clearly do have enemies. Enemies who may have it in their capacity to destroy us completely. Charles Green is already facing sanctions (as is Ally) for a similarly spirited outburst. But what will this really mean for him and for our club? More fines, more sanctions, more pain? I want to see an end to this pain and for us to just get on with playing football. However our enemies are multitude, and have no doubt they would gladly see us cease to exist. This is no fucking joke, no bitter statement. If you read into what some of these guys are saying, what many fans of other clubs are saying (especially in the SPL), they want nothing less than an end to RFC. I just hope the deal with Ashley goes through. I really want to see some money coming back into the club - so that we can hopefully see a way to settling the remainder of our debts too. I think I will only be able to breath a little easier when all of our debts are paid and all of this fines and sanctions crap is finally behind us. What else can they throw at us anyway? I hope we can get through this year. Green needs our support and our cash to do it though, so I think he deserves a chance. PS Can anyone confirm if any archive footage has been removed?

Oh, if it's old then sorry. I just read it, lol.

FFS, I thought this was going to be a problem: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2186644/Ally-McCoist-Charles-Green-issued-notices-complaint.html?ito=feeds-newsxml I'm not trying to be the bearer of bad news. Like everybody I'm sick of it and desperate to put all the bad news behind us and to get to a point of mostly only hearing good news again. But this whole regime is a pile of shite! They fuck us in every way imaginable - and we aren't even allowed to criticise them? I thought we lived in a free country? All I know is that the SFA are nothing more than a bigoted small minded petty dictatorship. They don't like the truth and when they hear it, they threaten to punish us even more. I was quite worried when I read what Ally and Green had said. As true as it was, it was purely said through passion and in the heat of the moment. I wasn't sure if Green quite understood what he was saying when he said 'bigotry' even if it was true. But what other punishments can they dream up now? It would almost be funny if it wasn't so perverse. No doubt they will invent a few more punishments for our club to endure. I just want to get to a time when it's just about football. When I wonder is this going to happen?

Yeah well nobody has signed up just to watch our team lob long, scrappy balls up the pitch. It's just not interesting to watch. We can do good quick passing football. We showed this against EF. It's (a lot) more of this that we need.

This post should be pinned. I've been looking for some positives and have been talking to some people. We have just come through the most devastating period in our club's history - so as disappointed as I was in today's overall performance, I guess we should cut ourselves and our club some slack. There's still no excuse the way some of our players showed little respect by appearing to lack commitment, but maybe the team does need to settle in for a bit and find their feet. This should be a wake up call though and no player should go to any game in this division and think it's just going to be a walk in the park and all they have to do is show up, scratch their arses and walk away with a win. Ally's tactics do need to change - but he has been handed a huge job and seems to lack the experience to do it on his own. I'm very conflicted about this, but no way do I think he should be sacked or removed. He pretty much single handedly held our club together throughout this time, and talk of sacking him is the worst kind of betrayal I think. But why not get him some coaching help, either someone with more coaching experience, or get him some of the coaching training he seems to need? I would never want to do anything that makes him feel undermined or betrayed, but he does seem very limited tactically. Ally should be recognised and revered for his contribution to our club over this last horrific period, but as much as I am prepared to wait it out for 3 years, I want to think we won't be stuck at the bottom of the pile indefinitely and that I will live to see Rangers playing in the top flight - and particularly challenging Celtic for the top honours again in the remainder of my lifetime. But OK, let's call today a wobble and give our team a chance to gel and to improve. We played some good passing football against EF, so it proves we can do it. We just have to get that back again and make sure it's consistent.

I don't want Ally to be sacked. After everything he's done for the club it would be terrible treatment. I want him to get the coaching help and experience he needs to become a decent manager. Currently his tactics seem pish though. In fact he only seems to have one tactic, which is lobbing long balls up the pitch. This is the definition of the most amateurish kind of football possible. How he thinks we can win out over the long term using this tactic is anybody's guess. This 3 at the back thing doesn't work at all either. It just makes us look extremely weak.

To be fair it's a lot to come back from. We've had every kind of shit you can think of thrown at us. I hope we can just call this a shaky start to the season - and then we recover, get our shit together and come back from it. Having said which we were lucky out there today. Lucky we didn't walk away with our arses being handed to us. The humiliation after everything that's happened would have been more than I could take. The guys in my local cafe were talking about it - and they were all shocked that it came so close and a bunch of internationals - most of whom are on more wages than many of the guys we were playing against see in a year - could be so amateurish. Make no mistake about it, Ally is the saviour of our club - and he should by no means take all the blame for the shambles that was today's performance. But he clearly needs coaching training, or coaching help quickly. I'm not saying get rid of him (I hope he always stays a Ranger one way or another), but we need someone with a lot of experience and a genuine understanding of tactics. I mean FFS, whatever that was out there on that pitch today, it wasn't football. All of this lobbing the ball up the park just looked desperate, incoherent and amateurish. Can't somebody get to him and tell him how dumb and pointless this tactic is? The ball almost spent more time in the air than it did on the deck. It was all this lobbing long balls up the park that nearly lost us the game. It made our team look like schoolboys, or a pub team. If we try that tactic with other teams in this division (or any division) we will be decimated. We need short, sharp passing football. Most of all we need our players to have passion for playing for our club. A lot of the guys out there today looked like they just couldn't be bothered. We don't pay them several grand in wages each week to not be bothered. So OK they thought all they had to do was just show up - and maybe Peterhead stadium wasn't as glamorous as some of the other venues they have played at, but come on, we deserve better than to have our team staffed with a bunch of greedy lazy cunts who think they don't even have to try! What this means is we really need to get our shit together and do it quick. Those other 'diddy' teams out there will have watched this and will have been emboldened by it. They won't be so happy to give us the easy time most of us thought we were going to have. I mean even the most amateurish of managers out there must have looked at today's performance and all that lobbing the ball up the park and thought that maybe they could have a pretty good chance against us. I hope Ally gives those guys a roasting. They totally fucking deserve it. There were a couple of exceptions, but not many!

I can't watch. The biggest noise on the park is coming from the Peterhead fans. The players on the pitch are picking up on the blank look on the supporters faces. The commentators are having a field day, reminding us that our march to the top won't be so easy. The Peterhead players look hungry for the ball and Rangers look bemused, like a team ready to pack it in. How the fuck can they not look hungry for the ball with some players on £7K+ a week? With everything else, this is the last thing we needed.

Don't let this be a nightmare start to everything. We need a result!

Yeah kicking the ball up the park doesn't really make, or even look like great football. It makes us look vulnerable and like we lack confidence. If we don't score a couple more, other 3rd division teams might look at this and be encouraged - which is not what we want at all.

I'm looking at this and thinking, as much as I'm happy that we're winning, that this march back to the top might not be as easy as we first thought. This might not be the free pass that we initially hoped for. I mean the Gers will always have my undying support, but I would be embarrassed if we ever got beat by one of these diddy little teams.

Generally not, no. But welcome from New York!

I'm also inclined to say 'let the SPL go fuck itself!'. But it's us who can make that happen. All it takes is or loyalty and our support for the long haul. There will be consequences, believe me. A lot of our enemies will go under without us. It's amazing how much the other fans out there hate us. I was reading the Hearts forum about our win last night. All sorts of accusations about us cooking the books on the numbers and how we have robbed them by cherry picking some of the best players in Scottish football before the transfer ban kicks in. It's no joke, they really do want to see an end to us and our club. That's how we got where we are now. It has fuck all to do with 'sporting integrity.' It's blind hatred plain and simple. Our job is to make sure that never happens - and to stick around long enough to be the last man standing if necessary - and to see these bastards pay big time for what they have done. Nothing will get up their noses more than our run away success. That can't happen without the fans staying on board. Lets make it happen is what I say.

First of all well done all bears for an amazing turn out last night. We showed the world that we are indeed the people! However as much as despise this hack rag, the Daily Mail today make something of a fair point regarding the payment of wages and Charles Green's business model http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2185026/Rangers-4-East-Fife-0.html Unlike some I am behind Green and have been from quite an early point. People seemed to despise the idea that he was a businessman and in it to make money. But the objections to this were among some of the stupidest I've ever heard. Running Rangers like a (legitimate) business by a guy who understands how to run a business and how to make it profitable is exactly what we need. It's amateurs and idiots (and criminals) with no business savvy whatsoever that fucked it all up for us to start with. But I do still worry. Running a football club as a business is a notoriously tricky thing to do right. I would love to see us do it right and to keep our books balanced - and to not slip into debt by doing things we can't afford. But think the Daily Mail may have a point, which is that we can't afford to let our guard slip. Last night 38,000+ was a real statement. But we need to make sure we can make that same statement week after week, month after month until our fightback and return to the SPL is complete. From what I can work out, Green's business model seems to depend on a return to the SPL within maybe 3 years max. But this it completely down to us. If we get complacent, or give up, or get bored we could well end up up shit creek again. If we want everything we have fought for, to make our club healthy, to balance our books, to watch on the sidelines as week by week we watch as all our enemies in the SPL sink and struggle without us, then the real test of loyalty is if we aren't just there for one night, but are prepared to tough it out for the long haul. It was a stunning turn out guys - and two fingers up to all of those guys who thought they could keep us down for good. Now's the time to show the world who they are really dealing with!

Whoohoo!

Some guys are just full of shit I think. Maybe not the guys here. But the "follow, follow" glory hunter mob are a disgrace. Our team needs us more than ever. This is a test that will separate the real fans from the fakers and bull shitters.

The point I'm making you fucking dick is that there are plenty of ordinary decent (non bigoted) folk who are Rangers fans too. I fact we are probably the majority. And I didn't say which University. Not that it matters, as that wasn't the point.

I grew up on Linhead Drive in Priesthill in Glasgow, one of the toughest and most notorious areas of the city during the late 1960's and 1970's. look it up mate, you won't even be able to find it as it got demolished years ago. I moved on from there though to study and now teach computer science at one of the biggest Universities in the country. Damn straight I'm proud! Proud to be a Rangers fan too! Proud that there are so many fans who don't think like you at all, which gives me heart and reason to go on supporting Rangers. Like I said if I thought the whole fan base was made up of people like you, I would be off out of it tomorrow. I do hope we use this opportunity to build something new and something better than we had before. We have a chance to win a whole new kind of support. Let families, wives, young kids and girlfriends come and let them have a pleasant fun experiences. Don't send them away with any negative view of our club at all. God knows we need all the support we can get at this time anyway. (I seriously wish I could uninvite people like you though.)

I get the impression from what Ally has said that they almost certainly are going after the titles: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19022680 He's hinting that the SPL want the severest form of punishment possible. That is despite the fact that withdrawing titles isn't in their rule book and there are a ton of other options open to them. Plus as he says, they still want the TV rights to save their own arses.