Sick of all the PC brigade

[BoltonLoyal 2]

A brigade is a military unit that is typically composed of two to five regiments or battalions, depending on the era and nationality of a given army.

So, by definition alone, there is NO "PC brigade" - it is a figment of feeble imaginations - and a contradiction in terms.

There are fans with many differing views/outlooks but we are a broad church etc. And that is a strength morally not a weakness IMO.

I hate the double standards applied to Rangers as much as anybody - but - this apportioning of blame onto supposed hand wringers galls me - it is just simplistic scapegoating - irrational and delusional and counter-productive.

There are enough real enemies out there without imaginary ones. Plenty of them. Go after those fuckers. Not other Rangers fans on RM who may be different from you.

And before you start complaing about folk trying to attack the old Rangers and traditional fans etc well all I have seen from you Minstral of late is blatant and obvious baiting of the supposed hand-wringers not the other way round.

That makes me sick.

You're right YC, from this day forward they shall be known as the PC KnobGobblers

[yellowcross 5]

A brigade is a military unit that is typically composed of two to five regiments or battalions, depending on the era and nationality of a given army.

So, by definition alone, there is NO "PC brigade" - it is a figment of feeble imaginations - and a contradiction in terms.

There are fans with many differing views/outlooks but we are a broad church etc. And that is a strength morally not a weakness IMO.

I hate the double standards applied to Rangers as much as anybody - but - this apportioning of blame onto supposed hand wringers galls me - it is just simplistic scapegoating - irrational and delusional and counter-productive.

There are enough real enemies out there without imaginary ones. Plenty of them. Go after those fuckers. Not other Rangers fans on RM who may be different from you.

And before you start complaing about folk trying to attack the old Rangers and traditional fans etc well all I have seen from you Minstral of late is blatant and obvious baiting of the supposed hand-wringers not the other way round.

That makes me sick.

You're right YC, from this day forward they shall be known as the PC KnobGobblers

So now the fantasy becomes homo-erotic - whatever yer into I guess.

Point is you can call them what you want they dont fucking exist.

[BoltonLoyal 2]

A brigade is a military unit that is typically composed of two to five regiments or battalions, depending on the era and nationality of a given army.

So, by definition alone, there is NO "PC brigade" - it is a figment of feeble imaginations - and a contradiction in terms.

There are fans with many differing views/outlooks but we are a broad church etc. And that is a strength morally not a weakness IMO.

I hate the double standards applied to Rangers as much as anybody - but - this apportioning of blame onto supposed hand wringers galls me - it is just simplistic scapegoating - irrational and delusional and counter-productive.

There are enough real enemies out there without imaginary ones. Plenty of them. Go after those fuckers. Not other Rangers fans on RM who may be different from you.

And before you start complaing about folk trying to attack the old Rangers and traditional fans etc well all I have seen from you Minstral of late is blatant and obvious baiting of the supposed hand-wringers not the other way round.

That makes me sick.

You're right YC, from this day forward they shall be known as the PC KnobGobblers

So now the fantasy becomes homo-erotic - whatever yer into I guess.

Point is you can call them what you want they dont fucking exist.

Think you may be ever so slightly off the mark there mate, there is plenty of evidence that these imaginary handwringers, apologists, new order etc. do indeed exist and even more so are fiercely active.

Also if the emboldened bit applies, perhaps if THEY spent more time attacking the filths obvious misdemeanours instead of our own, people would actually believe they have the best interests of RFC at heart?

[yellowcross 5]

Bolton: as a collective, as some kind of group with a common purpose, as a brigade etc they do not exist IMO.

There are fans with different views yes - but as an active and co-ordinated group that is some kind of menace - well I just dont see it.

And I dont see any fiercely active handwringers on here at all. You calling BP9 fierce furchrisakes.

I dont disrespect anybody on here at all - but I'll defend folk's right to speak from their own conscience without bowing to any kind of group pressure.

And when it comes down to it - what could be more protestant..?

Rangers ARE subjected to the most appalling double standards and we do have many real enemies - external every one of them - but this idea of a handwringer under every Rangers bed bringing the club down is a delusion and one that really bugs me.

[BoltonLoyal 2]

Bolton: as a collective, as some kind of group with a common purpose, as a brigade etc they do not exist IMO.

There are fans with different views yes - but as an active and co-ordinated group that is some kind of menace - well I just dont see it.

And I dont see any fiercely active handwringers on here at all. You calling BP9 fierce furchrisakes.

I dont disrespect anybody on here at all - but I'll defend folk's right to speak from their own conscience without bowing to any kind of group pressure.

And when it comes down to it - what could be more protestant..?

Rangers ARE subjected to the most appalling double standards and we do have many real enemies - external every one of them - but this idea of a handwringer under every Rangers bed bringing the club down is a delusion and one that really bugs me.

Persistent then Yes you're right, we are all entitled to our opinions and I too have no problem with folk having an opinion, but lately it seems that anyone who displays any sort of affectations for Protestantism, Unionism etc is told to 'move on', labelled 'dinosaurs' or have their point of view denounced as archaic and outdated.

I will defend our traditions with my last breath and (whatever you want to call them) can gloriously and incontrovertibly GTF if they think i'm ever going to agree with their viewpoint.

WATP.

[likeacare 9]

I like the PC brigade.

Sorted my Windows XP right out when it crashed.

[Bluepeter9 5,167]

Bolton: as a collective, as some kind of group with a common purpose, as a brigade etc they do not exist IMO.

There are fans with different views yes - but as an active and co-ordinated group that is some kind of menace - well I just dont see it.

And I dont see any fiercely active handwringers on here at all. You calling BP9 fierce furchrisakes.

I dont disrespect anybody on here at all - but I'll defend folk's right to speak from their own conscience without bowing to any kind of group pressure.

And when it comes down to it - what could be more protestant..?

Rangers ARE subjected to the most appalling double standards and we do have many real enemies - external every one of them - but this idea of a handwringer under every Rangers bed bringing the club down is a delusion and one that really bugs me.

Persistent then Yes you're right, we are all entitled to our opinions and I too have no problem with folk having an opinion, but lately it seems that anyone who displays any sort of affectations for Protestantism, Unionism etc is told to 'move on', labelled 'dinosaurs' or have their point of view denounced as archaic and outdated.

I will defend our traditions with my last breath and (whatever you want to call them) can gloriously and incontrovertibly GTF if they think i'm ever going to agree with their viewpoint.

WATP.

See that bit in bold - I think that just what people who try to link Rangers and Protestantism together are - its quite an accurate description!

I am part of the vocal moderates - and proud to be so!

[DougieJ 0]

What you seem to have problems with is that the vast majority of Rangers fans do NOT hold the same beliefs as you. Many of us realised a long time ago that Rangers are a Football club. They are NOT a Unionist society, a political movement nor a religious institution; they are a Football team. They are a glorious football team, they have a fantastic footballing traditions and history. As I keep saying take away the football and you wouuld have nothing, take away all the religious, unionist and political garbage and you will still have the greatest football team on the planet!

Well said pal, I agree wholeheartedly. The Orange Order is a declining institution as you say. Know why? Because despite the alarmist gang on here and elsewhere we are not in imminent danger of a Papist takeover anytime soon, and let's face it - if we're honest most of us are atheists now aren't we?

Also, it's hard to defend the 'tradition' of the majority of fans singing 'the cry was no surrender, surrender or you'll die' instead of '...and you'll die', thereby completely changing the true meaning of the song.

Here's an example (as in their also totally football-related reworking of TFOA) of a song which appeals to a loyalist identity but which cannot be criticised as being sectarian:

[tommy2212 151]

It's great being a Proddy though Eh ? Especially a British Prod ! Must be hell being the likes of a tim, no real place to call home and nobody wants them ! Sort of bastard religion for gypsies !

One of you're finest ever lines BD

[grahamteuchter 1]

Bolton: as a collective, as some kind of group with a common purpose, as a brigade etc they do not exist IMO.

There are fans with different views yes - but as an active and co-ordinated group that is some kind of menace - well I just dont see it.

And I dont see any fiercely active handwringers on here at all. You calling BP9 fierce furchrisakes.

I dont disrespect anybody on here at all - but I'll defend folk's right to speak from their own conscience without bowing to any kind of group pressure.

And when it comes down to it - what could be more protestant..?

Rangers ARE subjected to the most appalling double standards and we do have many real enemies - external every one of them - but this idea of a handwringer under every Rangers bed bringing the club down is a delusion and one that really bugs me.

Exactly...

[MacWoodburn 2]

What you seem to have problems with is that the vast majority of Rangers fans do NOT hold the same beliefs as you. Many of us realised a long time ago that Rangers are a Football club. They are NOT a Unionist society, a political movement nor a religious institution; they are a Football team. They are a glorious football team, they have a fantastic footballing traditions and history. As I keep saying take away the football and you wouuld have nothing, take away all the religious, unionist and political garbage and you will still have the greatest football team on the planet!

Well said pal, I agree wholeheartedly. The Orange Order is a declining institution as you say. Know why? Because despite the alarmist gang on here and elsewhere we are not in imminent danger of a Papist takeover anytime soon, and let's face it - if we're honest most of us are atheists now aren't we?

Also, it's hard to defend the 'tradition' of the majority of fans singing 'the cry was no surrender, surrender or you'll die' instead of '...and you'll die', thereby completely changing the true meaning of the song.

Here's an example (as in their also totally football-related reworking of TFOA) of a song which appeals to a loyalist identity but which cannot be criticised as being sectarian:

Batten down the hatches ,Doug's back!!

[mrtin281 0]

im an atheist but lets be honest most protestants are lapsed anyway.

[DougieJ 0]

What you seem to have problems with is that the vast majority of Rangers fans do NOT hold the same beliefs as you. Many of us realised a long time ago that Rangers are a Football club. They are NOT a Unionist society, a political movement nor a religious institution; they are a Football team. They are a glorious football team, they have a fantastic footballing traditions and history. As I keep saying take away the football and you wouuld have nothing, take away all the religious, unionist and political garbage and you will still have the greatest football team on the planet!

Batten down the hatches ,Doug's back!!

Quite surprised to see I've achieved notoriety! I would ask you to reply to the point instead of highlighting me but your avatar gives me the impression (can't think why) that your views may be somewhat fixed...

[BLUEDIGNITY 34,090]

Hey BP9 you are wan ugly motherfcuker !

[evilcockney 4]

Hey BP9 you are wan ugly motherfcuker !

LOL.. Not haveing any football to watch hasnt blunted your sword BD.

[vasily09 0]

A brigade is a military unit that is typically composed of two to five regiments or battalions, depending on the era and nationality of a given army.

So, by definition alone, there is NO "PC brigade" - it is a figment of feeble imaginations - and a contradiction in terms.

There are fans with many differing views/outlooks but we are a broad church etc. And that is a strength morally not a weakness IMO.

I hate the double standards applied to Rangers as much as anybody - but - this apportioning of blame onto supposed hand wringers galls me - it is just simplistic scapegoating - irrational and delusional and counter-productive.

There are enough real enemies out there without imaginary ones. Plenty of them. Go after those fuckers. Not other Rangers fans on RM who may be different from you.

And before you start complaing about folk trying to attack the old Rangers and traditional fans etc well all I have seen from you Minstral of late is blatant and obvious baiting of the supposed hand-wringers not the other way round.

That makes me sick.

best post I have read on here in months! Agree with every word!

[MacWoodburn 2]

What you seem to have problems with is that the vast majority of Rangers fans do NOT hold the same beliefs as you. Many of us realised a long time ago that Rangers are a Football club. They are NOT a Unionist society, a political movement nor a religious institution; they are a Football team. They are a glorious football team, they have a fantastic footballing traditions and history. As I keep saying take away the football and you wouuld have nothing, take away all the religious, unionist and political garbage and you will still have the greatest football team on the planet!

Batten down the hatches ,Doug's back!!

Quite surprised to see I've achieved notoriety! I would ask you to reply to the point instead of highlighting me but your avatar gives me the impression (can't think why) that your views may be somewhat fixed...

We are the Firm!

Minstral speaks for me ! I just agree rather than get all long-winded.Mon the Minst !

[minstral 5,375]

I notice all the usual suspects have come on, but does not matter what spin you put on it, we are known as the Protestant club all over the world. But as i said its you lot that are the minority and we are the majority.

[D'Artagnan 13,319]

I think its time to let the world know that we are a Protestant club and not ashamed of it. For a start we should bring back the annual Orange parade to Ibrox where it belongs and dont worry what the PC brigade think. If it was good enough for our fathers and grandfathers to be proud of our protestant traditions, then we should all be proud and stop trying to appease the Pc brigade. I think the club should have a flute band at every home game to entertain our fans and play the Sash before every home game. We should welcome all religions to Ibrox but stop being scared to tell the whole world that we are a protestant club and not ashamed of our past.

If you are that proud of being a protestant...just go to church...That is where the real meaning of being a protestant is. Maybe everyone who claims this great protestant badge should go there every Sunday and it will mean something more. I go to church every Sunday and there is no one there. Being a protestant is a part of the Christian faith not a football top.

So Graham are you saying that our club did not adopt a Protestant character...in fact actively encouraged it ?

What about the Bears who go to church and follow Rangers as it is part of their Protestant tradition ?

[BLUEDIGNITY 34,090]

Hey BP9 you are wan ugly motherfcuker !

LOL.. Not haveing any football to watch hasnt blunted your sword BD.

Nae chance Mate, had a go at murphy last Saturday and the Walk this Saturday, so plenty goin on to keep ma hand in. Only another 5 Saturdays to kill before hostilities resume.

[keithgersbear 3,225]

5 pages of tripe. Very little people in here seem to not really understand Protestantism.

[brissybear 50]

The p.c. brigade, seem to have no beliefs of their own, but seem prepared to crush and criticise everyone elses. The Protestant Reformation, to me, was a monumental turning point in history. The spiritual lights were switched on, and the power of a corrupt papacy was challenged. It took brave men indeed to stand up to the false teachings of Rome, but they did. The bible was translated from Latin, so everybody could read it. The Pope or a priest, was not the divine channel to God, it was open to anybody. Indulgences were a big concern; that people could buy a place in heaven, by paying the church to remove all sins. In this day and age, the Reformation has been largely forgotten. It is all taken for granted that we do not live under the rule of a church which will keep us in ignorance, and poverty, as seen in most R.C. countries of the world. Rangers supporters should have no hesitation in standing up as Protestants, if they wish. It is a gift passed down through hundreds of years, from men, some who sacrificed with their lives. Politically correct people, believe in nothing. They create nothing. Their role in life, is like some form of Hitler youth, to grass and inform on others beliefs.

What pish this is especially the part abount no beliefs - I am one of the PC band (as we seem to get called on here). You have NO ideas what my beliefs are, nor how deep I hold them, nor what I do to defend them. However my belief, my religion and my politics have got NOTHING to do with Football, so I refrain from trying to tie my causes to a football team.

I feel extremely sorry for you that becuase you, and others fail to accept that the majority or Rangers fans support the team because of the football and wont rally round your beliefs.

What you seem to have problems with is that the vast majority of Rangers fans do NOT hold the same beliefs as you. Many of us realised a long time ago that Rangers are a Football club. They are NOT a Unionist society, a political movement nor a religious institution; they are a Football team. They are a glorious football team, they have a fantastic footballing traditions and history. As I keep saying take away the football and you wouuld have nothing, take away all the religious, unionist and political garbage and you will still have the greatest football team on the planet!

Where do you get the facts that the majority of bears do not hold the same beliefs as myself. You told me this before and said that it was only the minority that now sung the old songs. Low and behold i went along to the Werder Bremen game and nothing had changed, all the old songs were getting belted out just like the old days. You will just have to get used to the fact that we are a Protestant club, and its you thats in the minority.

Theres nothing wrong with celebrating Protestant traditions, I think we cover that well with 'The Sash' and 'Derrys Walls'.

The Orange Order is notvrepresentative of the majority of the Protestant faith so why should this be 'celebrated' at a football ground?

As for the reference to 'There lies a soldier', again a bastardisation of the protestant faith.

Is this not the same folk that murdered 6 catholics in NI while watching a world cup football match? Hardly heroes we are talking about here.

I hate the way you are branded PC, for basically not holding Protestant tarditions dear. Some peoples belief what Protestant traditions are as well are completely way off the mark.

Could someone point out as well if the OO have ever played a part at a Rangers football game? If they havent then why is it the clubs tradition?

[minstral 5,375]

5 pages of tripe. Very little people in here seem to not really understand Protestantism.

Must have interested some people to make 5 pages, but please tell me, are we known as a Protestant club.

[theweebluenose 4,343]

The p.c. brigade, seem to have no beliefs of their own, but seem prepared to crush and criticise everyone elses. The Protestant Reformation, to me, was a monumental turning point in history. The spiritual lights were switched on, and the power of a corrupt papacy was challenged. It took brave men indeed to stand up to the false teachings of Rome, but they did. The bible was translated from Latin, so everybody could read it. The Pope or a priest, was not the divine channel to God, it was open to anybody. Indulgences were a big concern; that people could buy a place in heaven, by paying the church to remove all sins. In this day and age, the Reformation has been largely forgotten. It is all taken for granted that we do not live under the rule of a church which will keep us in ignorance, and poverty, as seen in most R.C. countries of the world. Rangers supporters should have no hesitation in standing up as Protestants, if they wish. It is a gift passed down through hundreds of years, from men, some who sacrificed with their lives. Politically correct people, believe in nothing. They create nothing. Their role in life, is like some form of Hitler youth, to grass and inform on others beliefs.

What pish this is especially the part abount no beliefs - I am one of the PC band (as we seem to get called on here). You have NO ideas what my beliefs are, nor how deep I hold them, nor what I do to defend them. However my belief, my religion and my politics have got NOTHING to do with Football, so I refrain from trying to tie my causes to a football team.

I feel extremely sorry for you that becuase you, and others fail to accept that the majority or Rangers fans support the team because of the football and wont rally round your beliefs.

What you seem to have problems with is that the vast majority of Rangers fans do NOT hold the same beliefs as you. Many of us realised a long time ago that Rangers are a Football club. They are NOT a Unionist society, a political movement nor a religious institution; they are a Football team. They are a glorious football team, they have a fantastic footballing traditions and history. As I keep saying take away the football and you wouuld have nothing, take away all the religious, unionist and political garbage and you will still have the greatest football team on the planet!

Where do you get the facts that the majority of bears do not hold the same beliefs as myself. You told me this before and said that it was only the minority that now sung the old songs. Low and behold i went along to the Werder Bremen game and nothing had changed, all the old songs were getting belted out just like the old days. You will just have to get used to the fact that we are a Protestant club, and its you thats in the minority.

Theres nothing wrong with celebrating Protestant traditions, I think we cover that well with 'The Sash' and 'Derrys Walls'.

The Orange Order is notvrepresentative of the majority of the Protestant faith so why should this be 'celebrated' at a football ground?

As for the reference to 'There lies a soldier', again a bastardisation of the protestant faith.

Is this not the same folk that murdered 6 catholics in NI while watching a world cup football match? Hardly heroes we are talking about here.

I hate the way you are branded PC, for basically not holding Protestant tarditions dear. Some peoples belief what Protestant traditions are as well are completely way off the mark.

Could someone point out as well if the OO have ever played a part at a Rangers football game? If they havent then why is it the clubs tradition?

The Orange Order used to hold their annual service at Ibrox until SDM stopped them, there is a piece of Crystalware in the Ibrox trophy room from that time as well.

[minstral 5,375]

The p.c. brigade, seem to have no beliefs of their own, but seem prepared to crush and criticise everyone elses. The Protestant Reformation, to me, was a monumental turning point in history. The spiritual lights were switched on, and the power of a corrupt papacy was challenged. It took brave men indeed to stand up to the false teachings of Rome, but they did. The bible was translated from Latin, so everybody could read it. The Pope or a priest, was not the divine channel to God, it was open to anybody. Indulgences were a big concern; that people could buy a place in heaven, by paying the church to remove all sins. In this day and age, the Reformation has been largely forgotten. It is all taken for granted that we do not live under the rule of a church which will keep us in ignorance, and poverty, as seen in most R.C. countries of the world. Rangers supporters should have no hesitation in standing up as Protestants, if they wish. It is a gift passed down through hundreds of years, from men, some who sacrificed with their lives. Politically correct people, believe in nothing. They create nothing. Their role in life, is like some form of Hitler youth, to grass and inform on others beliefs.

What pish this is especially the part abount no beliefs - I am one of the PC band (as we seem to get called on here). You have NO ideas what my beliefs are, nor how deep I hold them, nor what I do to defend them. However my belief, my religion and my politics have got NOTHING to do with Football, so I refrain from trying to tie my causes to a football team.

I feel extremely sorry for you that becuase you, and others fail to accept that the majority or Rangers fans support the team because of the football and wont rally round your beliefs.

What you seem to have problems with is that the vast majority of Rangers fans do NOT hold the same beliefs as you. Many of us realised a long time ago that Rangers are a Football club. They are NOT a Unionist society, a political movement nor a religious institution; they are a Football team. They are a glorious football team, they have a fantastic footballing traditions and history. As I keep saying take away the football and you wouuld have nothing, take away all the religious, unionist and political garbage and you will still have the greatest football team on the planet!

Where do you get the facts that the majority of bears do not hold the same beliefs as myself. You told me this before and said that it was only the minority that now sung the old songs. Low and behold i went along to the Werder Bremen game and nothing had changed, all the old songs were getting belted out just like the old days. You will just have to get used to the fact that we are a Protestant club, and its you thats in the minority.

Theres nothing wrong with celebrating Protestant traditions, I think we cover that well with 'The Sash' and 'Derrys Walls'.

The Orange Order is notvrepresentative of the majority of the Protestant faith so why should this be 'celebrated' at a football ground?

As for the reference to 'There lies a soldier', again a bastardisation of the protestant faith.

Is this not the same folk that murdered 6 catholics in NI while watching a world cup football match? Hardly heroes we are talking about here.

I hate the way you are branded PC, for basically not holding Protestant tarditions dear. Some peoples belief what Protestant traditions are as well are completely way off the mark.

Could someone point out as well if the OO have ever played a part at a Rangers football game? If they havent then why is it the clubs tradition?

For a start Rangers allowed the OO, the use of the stadium for the annual church parade for many years. The OO also held shares in our club, and we have had players playing for us who were members of the OO.