ianbear007 15 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 I believe chief executive charles green should challenge the 3 year european competition ban.Court action may be successful in getting the ban overturned. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevieMac90 65 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 nah would rather keep it as it is. Cant accuse us of wrongdoing Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Negri's Beard 1,423 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 I believe chairman charles green should challenge the 3 year european competition ban.Court action may be successful in getting the ban overturned.Difference between this and the previous transfer ban is that this is an established rule. Nothing doing here. The ban is fair Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince of Orange 84 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 Don't think a court would be able to overrule it as it's part of UEFA's rules and they are allowed to legally use it (unlike some other organisations) so we just have to take this one on the chin I think. With the exception of winning the Scottish cup how would we qualify anyway? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
8watp8 254 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 charles green isn't chairman Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianbear007 15 Posted August 24, 2012 Author Share Posted August 24, 2012 charles green isn't chairmanthanks for the heads up cg has his correct job title in my post now Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claddie 53 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 I don't think it's a ban as such. Is it no something to do with not being able to get a UEFA licence untill the owning company has 3 years audited accounts? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creampuff 22,628 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 There's no chance of us overturning it.We can't qualify unless we win the cup anyway so it's no big deal Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wearethepeople1 3,897 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 We don't have the accounts to get inNo case to argue I'm afraid Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmacmacmad 12 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 I think GDS summed this up on one of his twitter posts, if CG had been clever, he'd have bought Ltd company with 3 years trading history to, thus be able to present 3 years accounts to comply with UEFA rules...they'd probably have change them to ban us, but the rule is 3 years accounts, or you don't get in.In any case, QOS in the Ramsdens Cup would clash with Galatasary in the Champo Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.T.G 10,773 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 We are not banned from playing in EuropeWe don't have a Uefa license Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
glesgabear81 24 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 Its not a ban, even if you say it 10,000 times its still not a ban.Its depressing the amount of Bears that don't even have a basic understanding of whats happened to our club. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nelsonRFC82 305 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 While I agree it is an established rule and in UEFAs own words is to deter clubs going the newco route. I would however question the validity of such a rule if they are insistent on us settling footballing debts in the way the SFA have. I struggle to see the logic and reasoning that states "you are an entirely separate company but you can you go ahead and pay some debts of Rangers plc"? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jodz 98 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 thats in the rules, and always has been. UEFA, unlike the ESS-EFF-AY, dont make it up as they go along. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
glesgabear81 24 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 I think GDS summed this up on one of his twitter posts, if CG had been clever, he'd have bought Ltd company with 3 years trading history to, thus be able to present 3 years accounts to comply with UEFA rules...they'd probably have change them to ban us, but the rule is 3 years accounts, or you don't get in.In any case, QOS in the Ramsdens Cup would clash with Galatasary in the ChampoThat wouldn't work either unfortunately.UEFA rule.........The membership and the contractual relationship (if any) must have lasted – atthe start of the licence season – for at least three consecutive years. Anyalteration to club’s legal form or company structure (including, for example,changing its headquarters, name club colours, or transferring stakeholdingsbetween different clubs) during this period in order to facilitate its qualification onsporting merit and/or its receipt of a licence to the detriment of the integrity of acompetition is deemed as an interruption of membership or contractualrelationship (if any) within the meaning of this provision. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigblueyonder 11,158 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 there is a process to get the license on 'sporting merit' .. whatever the fuck that means, but it's in the rules as an exemption process whereby we wouldn't need the 3 years of accounts.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmacmacmad 12 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 See, told you they'd make up the rules to fuck us over if we tried it (last time I trust GDS!)That wouldn't work either unfortunately.UEFA rule.........The membership and the contractual relationship (if any) must have lasted – atthe start of the licence season – for at least three consecutive years. Anyalteration to club’s legal form or company structure (including, for example,changing its headquarters, name club colours, or transferring stakeholdingsbetween different clubs) during this period in order to facilitate its qualification onsporting merit and/or its receipt of a licence to the detriment of the integrity of acompetition is deemed as an interruption of membership or contractualrelationship (if any) within the meaning of this provision. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
glesgabear81 24 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 there is a process to get the license on 'sporting merit' .. whatever the fuck that means, but it's in the rules as an exemption process whereby we wouldn't need the 3 years of accounts..Gretna were awarded a licence on sporting merit when they reached the Scottish Cup Final. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince of Orange 84 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 Gretna were awarded a licence on sporting merit when they reached the Scottish Cup Final.Does anyone think then that if we were to reach the Scottish cup final, maybe even win it, as a 3rd division club that we would be allowed entry to the Europa league on sporting merit? Nah, thought not! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hubbard 280 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 why 3 years accounts !some arbitry time scale decided by who knows whois it the same elsewhere in Europe ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigblueyonder 11,158 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 why 3 years accounts !some arbitry time scale decided by who knows whois it the same elsewhere in Europe ?Are UEFA rules the same elsewhere in Europe? I'd imagine so Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianbear007 15 Posted August 25, 2012 Author Share Posted August 25, 2012 Its not a ban, even if you say it 10,000 times its still not a ban.Its depressing the amount of Bears that don't even have a basic understanding of whats happened to our club.okay it is an exclusion from taking part in european competitiion.whatever it's called it is a draconian rule which needs changing and challenging Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeBlue 136 Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 IF it were to turn out that we have won the BTC and the investigation into the Whyte takeover demonstrates that it was illegal, then we might have a case to take to UEFA to ask for the ban to be reduced on the basis that it was overly aggressive action by HMRC followed by their refusal of the CVA which caused us to go newco. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scarkev 3,540 Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 okay it is an exclusion from taking part in european competitiion.whatever it's called it is a draconian rule which needs changing and challengingBut that's the problem mate it is a rule...Unlike the SFA making up the rules as they go along, this was something we knew would be the case if a CVA wasnt agreed. Yes its shit we aren't in Europe but in 3 years time we will be back on top and in a much better position (with the new financial regulations/home grown regulations) to qualify for the group stages of the Champions League or the latter stages of the Europa....Long Haul Loyal! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluepeter9 5,167 Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 I believe chief executive charles green should challenge the 3 year european competition ban.Court action may be successful in getting the ban overturned.On what basis could he challenge it ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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