Thermopylae 15,288 Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 His professorial manner tends to put him above criticism but it's been so long since he won anything that you really do begin to wonder if he knows what he's doing.I know he had a good team many years ago but a lot of that was build by George Graham Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Jela 21,678 Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 I know he had a good team many years ago but a lot of that was build by George GrahamShutTheFuckUp Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Godfather 75,697 Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 He's done great things for Arsenal but they are just not progressing much these days.Must be hard though when your be players get sold every year. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thermopylae 15,288 Posted February 16, 2013 Author Share Posted February 16, 2013 I can see why that would stop them winning the EPL but no cup wins in 8 seasons is pretty poor ... perhaps it's a case of if you put him and George together you get a really good manager because the invincibles team was better than the one Graham had and you would have to say also better than the ones after that that were exclusively built by Wenger Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Godfather 75,697 Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 I can see why that would stop them winning the EPL but no cup wins in 8 seasons is pretty poor ... perhaps it's a case of if you put him and George together you get a really good manager because the invincibles team was better than the one Graham had and you would have to say also better than the ones that were exclusively built by WengerProbably a mental thing now with the pressure of the media and stuff surrounding cup games. It's concerning they are going out to lower league sides though and remember Birmingham beating them in the final not long ago too! Consistency is a big problem for them but they are not alone, really it's only United who consistently perform in general this season and previous. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creampuff 22,630 Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 His professorial manner tends to put him above criticism but it's been so long since he won anything that you really do begin to wonder if he knows what he's doing.I know he had a good team many years ago but a lot of that was build by George GrahamThe first thing he did was buy Viera, then brought in the likes of Henry etc.. Short of Bergkamp, Wenger signed almost all of the invincibles team.He also led Arsenal through two seasons only losing like one league match. His win % is remarkable when you consider it's only a fraction behind Ferguson and he's done it on a significantly smaller budget and whilst his board sold his best players - some of which to Man Utd directly! I think he's done 'alright', aye.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caseyjones 3,009 Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Another thread bombs once detailed facts are introduced. Nice. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creampuff 22,630 Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Another thread bombs once detailed facts are introduced. Nice. . Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thermopylae 15,288 Posted February 16, 2013 Author Share Posted February 16, 2013 Another thread bombs once detailed facts are introduced.Nice. So the second best supported club in England don't win anything for 8 seasons and the manager is above criticism? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
topgoalie 637 Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Could not believe that they have won nothing for 8 years,did i hear right,surely something has to change.What is it about managers that play most of their second string in competitions that is their last chance of silverware????????? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caseyjones 3,009 Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 So the second best supported club in England don't win anything for 8 seasons and the manager is above criticism? Nope, but calling him a dud, and falsely declaring that his most successful team was built by someone else, goes a long way beyond criticism. You mention them having the second highest attendance figures in the league, but don't take into account what the club have done to achieve that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thermopylae 15,288 Posted February 16, 2013 Author Share Posted February 16, 2013 Nope, but calling him a dud, and falsely declaring that his most successful team was built by someone else, goes a long way beyond criticism. You mention them having the second highest attendance figures in the league, but don't take into account what the club have done to achieve that.Do you have problems reading ... where did I say that? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
topgoalie 637 Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Nope, but calling him a dud, and falsely declaring that his most successful team was built by someone else, goes a long way beyond criticism. You mention them having the second highest attendance figures in the league, but don't take into account what the club have done to achieve that.You are paid as a manager in any walk of life to get results,Wenger has not delivered,paper over the cracks but he has not delivered on the field,but off it well the club has reaped in his ways,but as a supporter,is that what you want????? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caseyjones 3,009 Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Do you have problems reading ... where did I say that?Oh, partly built was in your original post - and it was totally debunked by AlanCompton. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caseyjones 3,009 Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 You are paid as a manager in any walk of life to get results,Wenger has not delivered,paper over the cracks but he has not delivered on the field,but off it well the club has reaped in his ways,but as a supporter,is that what you want?????The Arsenal support aren't overjoyed about it, but they were made aware of what the long-term plans were and have bought into it, as the attendances have shown. That won't last forever though.Arsenal have done rather well to consistently finish in the top four, especially with the sugar daddies arriving at Chelsea and Manchester City. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor_Chang 1,195 Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 When Wrenger first joined Arsenal he revolutionized the British game. Diet, footballing style etc and that why his old Arsenal was so successful Now though all clubs have implemented this. I think he needs a fresh challenge and Arsenal need a manager with a fresh style. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thermopylae 15,288 Posted February 17, 2013 Author Share Posted February 17, 2013 Oh, partly built was in your original post - and it was totally debunked by AlanCompton.Not true the best Arsenal team was built by Graham and Wenger ... they have declined since then Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alstone 374 Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 They definitely need to get rid of him the team needs a shake up its not as if they don't have the money Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caseyjones 3,009 Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 Not true the best Arsenal team was built by Graham and Wenger ... they have declined since thenThey never worked together building a team. The definition of the word is rather important. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thermopylae 15,288 Posted February 17, 2013 Author Share Posted February 17, 2013 They never worked together building a team. The definition of the word is rather important.What word are you referring to? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caseyjones 3,009 Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 What word are you referring to?Team. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thermopylae 15,288 Posted February 17, 2013 Author Share Posted February 17, 2013 Why don't you just admit that the best Arsenal team of the modern era was the work of both Graham and Wenger ... you really are doing yourself no favours by ignoring what everyone knows to be the truth Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davey_RFC 122 Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 Arsenal are shite. Pointless club with zero ambition. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caseyjones 3,009 Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 Why don't you just admit that the best Arsenal team of the modern era was the work of both Graham and Wenger ... you really are doing yourself no favours by ignoring what everyone knows to be the truth Only Bergkamp remained from the George Graham era. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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