RM Monitor And Standards Officer 112,906 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 Just now, Sportingintegritymyarse said: Yes mate. It's about strength of a united voice and proxied share holding. I'd imagine in most scenarios if you voted against the tide as an individual you'd have the same outcome as if you'd voted against the tide within this proxied shareholding. But the benefits of supporting an action can be far more impactive if your vote is within a proxied shareholding (ie calling an egm) than if you have only your own shares and don't even get to vote on that matter. That's as I see it and I ain't no expert. I'm interested for the first time though tbh. Seems pretty much exact same as C1872 in that sense then. If the majority want to vote one way and you don't then you're fucked. No offense to anyone trying to do better like this or C1872 and I applaud them trying to make it better but these groups are becoming much of a much and it's just what group you prefer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeyserSoze 15,289 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 Feeders feeding Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehost 11,061 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 38 minutes ago, Virtuoso said: Nobody suggested he was? All that was said that it was endorsed / backed by VB. as you know he's my mate I just didn't want anyone getting the wrong end of the stick.... thebooler and Virtuoso 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 55,425 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 11 minutes ago, Rfc52 said: Seems pretty much exact same as C1872 in that sense then. If the majority want to vote one way and you don't then you're fucked. No offense to anyone trying to do better like this or C1872 and I applaud them trying to make it better but these groups are becoming much of a much and it's just what group you prefer. Who owns the shares in 1872? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carsons Dog 9,878 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Virtuoso said: 100% not toxic. A group that is wholly independent of the club. Can you vouch for them mate? pm if you like Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virtuoso 27,180 Posted April 17, 2018 Author Share Posted April 17, 2018 51 minutes ago, NamibianBear said: Don't care who is endorsing it or who is behind it. Once bitten, twice shy. Got bitten twice; RFFF and RF so a big fat 'no chance" from me. So was I, amongst many others as were those behind the latest initiative. You can see why they won't let it happen again. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,027 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 11 minutes ago, KeyserSoze said: Feeders feeding I do hope he provides annual accounts and detailed breakdowns of where every penny goes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virtuoso 27,180 Posted April 17, 2018 Author Share Posted April 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Carsons Dog said: Can you vouch for them mate? pm if you like 100%. I've joined Carsons Dog 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NamibianBear 1,853 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 43 minutes ago, Sportingintegritymyarse said: Fair enough mate though it's about a consolidation and proxy of people retaining their own shares. "While a condition of membership is that the proxy for any existing shares is signed to Follow Rangers Shareholders Limited, ownership of the existing shares will remain with the members. When new shares are purchased, they will be held by the Company and a database will be maintained reflecting the individual member’s contribution. Along with existing shares, voting rights for these shares will be given to Follow Rangers Shareholders Limited". luckily, all I bought in RF was a life membership. Every share I have bought so far is in my own name and will remain that way. i really could not care less who or what is involved with any more fan's schemes. In my eyes, I have seen 47 years of fan's groups come and go and NONE have ever been fit for purpose. I really though RF was going to be different when it was inaugurated but time has shown that the people starting it up were just another bunch of self-serving wankers out for themselves only. I know that this goes against the grain of most in here trusting VB but to me, it's just another closed clique of mates. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NamibianBear 1,853 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, Virtuoso said: So was I, amongst many others as were those behind the latest initiative. You can see why they won't let it happen again. Funnily enough, I can remember Marshall saying EXACTLY the same thing Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carsons Dog 9,878 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 Will they give an assurance never to vote for Paul fukkin Murray? That would be a massive boost to their credibility ? sonofbear 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RM Monitor And Standards Officer 112,906 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 10 minutes ago, Sportingintegritymyarse said: Who owns the shares in 1872? Tbh mate since it's become 1872 I have no idea what's happening :lol: As soon as they got involved with RST/BR I left Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
macdonut 9 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 45 minutes ago, Rfc52 said: Does that mean you'd be giving away your voting rights? And if the group decided to vote for x and you wanted y you'd be fucked? 27 minutes ago, Sportingintegritymyarse said: Yes mate. It's about strength of a united voice and proxied share holding. I'd imagine in most scenarios if you voted against the tide as an individual you'd have the same outcome as if you'd voted against the tide within this proxied shareholding. But the benefits of supporting an action can be far more impactive if your vote is within a proxied shareholding (ie calling an egm) than if you have only your own shares and don't even get to vote on that matter. That's as I see it and I ain't no expert. I'm interested for the first time though tbh. I've had a look at the FR site and that might not be the case. In the FAQ it says: "All Follow Rangers members will be encouraged to vote. We will poll our members and vote according on the results, i.e. if 70% vote for, 20% vote against and 10% don’t know, that is how the votes will be cast. This ensures everyone’s opinion is represented, not just the majority. Members will be informed of the results of all polls and ballots, both in % and numeric format, so everyone knows the full result." So, whatever the FR poll results are will be reflected in how they vote at any AGM etc. So, even if you are the only person who disagrees with the majority, your opinion will still count. Hope that helps. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,027 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 £90 to join a fans group. That's pretty fucking incredible. Joining fee of £30 - payable on submission of application. Annual minimum subscription of £60 - payable as a one-off, or on a 12-monthly bank Standing Order. Yearly membership fee £12 - included in initial joining fee and payable thereafter on 23rd March 2019 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virtuoso 27,180 Posted April 17, 2018 Author Share Posted April 17, 2018 https://daviesleftpeg.wordpress.com/2018/04/17/we-deserve-better-2/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehost 11,061 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 20 minutes ago, Carsons Dog said: Will they give an assurance never to vote for Paul fukkin Murray? That would be a massive boost to their credibility ? That's the one thing you can guarantee thebooler and Carsons Dog 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gj923 1,471 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 11 minutes ago, The Dude said: £90 to join a fans group. That's pretty fucking incredible. Joining fee of £30 - payable on submission of application. Annual minimum subscription of £60 - payable as a one-off, or on a 12-monthly bank Standing Order. Yearly membership fee £12 - included in initial joining fee and payable thereafter on 23rd March 2019 It is and without going into the history of the RF a few points - the constitution all looks good which is missing from a few - the fees whilst transparent do not indicate what they are for? 500 people join and suddenly you have 6k coming in annually. Is this for costs of the limited company? - The guy behind it...in the interests of transparency he should have stuck his head above the parapet to say why he has done this and what role he will play moving forward. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassaaaa 11,406 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 Unbelievable there are actually folk who pay shysters like this. We have a boardroom full of folk like this. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehost 11,061 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, gj923 said: It is and without going into the history of the RF a few points - the constitution all looks good which is missing from a few - the fees whilst transparent do not indicate what they are for? 500 people join and suddenly you have 6k coming in annually. Is this for costs of the limited company? - The guy behind it...in the interests of transparency he should have stuck his head above the parapet to say why he has done this and what role he will play moving forward. I dunno much about this. I know folk talked about a more representative (non-board) fans group. But this is the first I have seen of the actual vehicle. I don't think there is one guy behind it, though th eguy listed in the limited coy, I assume just in the interim for company set-up, is unfortunately banned on here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virtuoso 27,180 Posted April 17, 2018 Author Share Posted April 17, 2018 1 hour ago, gj923 said: The guy behind it...in the interests of transparency he should have stuck his head above the parapet to say why he has done this and what role he will play moving forward. The guy is widely known and has already been named on this thread. The ltd company is in his name, he couldn't be anymore transparent. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gj923 1,471 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 Just now, thehost said: I dunno much about this. I know folk talked about a more representative (non-board) fans group. But this is the first I have seen of the actual vehicle. I don't think there is one guy behind it, though th eguy listed in the limited coy, I assume just in the interim for company set-up, is unfortunately banned on here. It looks good on paper - its just that this will probably be peoples questions so putting that also on the website would maybe help Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,027 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 Just now, Virtuoso said: The guy is widely known and has already been named on this thread. The ltd company is in his name, he couldn't be anymore transparent. So what will the £30 joining fee be used for? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gj923 1,471 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 Just now, Virtuoso said: The guy is widely known and has already been named on this thread. The ltd company is in his name, he couldn't be anymore transparent. I know the limited company is in his name the point I was making was that not everyone knows him. I am not criticising him or the proposed vehicle Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebooler 4,509 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 3 hours ago, LochendBilly said: Another group? Nah! Read it Billy mate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebooler 4,509 Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 3 hours ago, NamibianBear said: Don't care who is endorsing it or who is behind it. Once bitten, twice shy. Got bitten twice; RFFF and RF so a big fat 'no chance" from me. Would you trust me if I told you this is exactly the type of group we've been needing mate? I'm joining, as any shares I buy will be in my name forever. Please read the information NB and at least give it a chance. It WILL be a success FOR THE FANS. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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