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    Kamara and Kudela bans

    in Jimmy Bell's Kitroom

    Posted

    9 hours ago, Scottywellhousetb said:

    Was doing a fair bit of gardening stuff and only now settled with a beer, missed all this, UEFA are an absolute embarrassment of an organisation, found guilty of racist behaviour in this or any other day and age should result in a lifetime ban from football, any retaliation should result in an award and a knighthood, I despair at the human race.

    Let's see your garden :)

    Kamara and Kudela bans

    in Jimmy Bell's Kitroom

    Posted

    12 hours ago, TheKingObv said:

    How did the club not know the minimum/maximum ban rules considering how long this investigation has been ongoing? 

    Pretty strange to get something like that wrong.

    Anwar's fault - he made a mistake in his original response and I think whoever wrote the club statement must have read that and just assumed it was right.

    Kamara and Kudela bans

    in Jimmy Bell's Kitroom

    Posted

    1 hour ago, ForeverAndEver said:

    Is it fuck enough :lol: 

    Trippier got two more games by telling someone to make a bet 

    One issue pertains to the horrific prejudice towards someone based on something they have absolutely no control over whatsoever, a woldwide societal problem that causes misery and inequality for millions of people. A problem that is trying to be solved by governments and organisations all over the world. A problem that causes people to lose their life.

    The other is related to money.

    Clear to see where UEFA's priorities lie.

    Apex Legends and/or Valheim

    in Gaming

    Posted

    54 minutes ago, CR3 said:

    I got Valheim @Big V but I literally need to chuck it on 720p low graphics because I bought a ‘cheap gaming PC’ with a GT 710 in it.

    The performance for me is dreadful on nearly everything apart from CS, Valorant & Fall Guys really so I’ll need to upgrade to make this playable. You liking the game?

    Yes it's really good. There is a ton more content to be developed. I think this game has a bright future.

    English Football

    in General Football & Sport

    Posted

    Anyone watch the Man City game tonight? The fake crowd noise boys got a bit carried away for an empty stadium against Fulham.

    Annoyed the fuck right out of me, spent ten minutes Googling how to turn that pish off, and every result for three pages was "Press the Red button". I'm watching online. There is no red button. I eventually found a forum that said BT Sport Extra 1 doesn't have the fake crowd noise.  Headache averted.

     

    Whatever happened to the "TBB Liaison Committee"?

    in Jimmy Bell's Kitroom

    Posted

    On reflection, having read the rest of the thread, and re-read the response we got, perhaps we were a little too hasty in our capitulation.

    The fact the UEFA banned the song - does that mean it must not be sung at European games, or all games? If it's the former then all we really need to do is to organise education (e.g. flyering and such) to have people sing a slightly altered lyric (suspect we'd only need to drop the one word/phrase) as long as the syllables are consistent it could be anything.... "we're up to our knees in nationalists"? Whatever.

    The idea that "we are the Billy boys" is illegal is false - even the police themselves only said basically  "we cannot give this police sanction" [due to the nature of the history of the phrase]. That's a far cry from "you'll get charged for singing it".

    I wonder if we did the stuff we intended to do with regard the flyering, match day inserts, or whatever, and actually got the majority of support to sing an altered version, we could then go to UEFA and say "hey we've change this lyric, demonstrably" and also point out the other various clubs that use the same tune - they might be more inclined to reconsider at that point.

    Thoughts?

    We don't need police permission, or SFA permission - we just need them to not attack us for singing the song (hence why lyrical change is important). Having the club on board would be a great help though - and with Rangers men in charge again, perhaps this could be a goer?

    I don't have the time, resources, or indeed contacts to really work with the club on this, I wonder if any of the other committee members are in a better position?

    Whatever happened to the "TBB Liaison Committee"?

    in Jimmy Bell's Kitroom

    Posted

    14 hours ago, JCDBigBear said:

    I was at the meeting and I seem to remember that it went well on the day but after they had discussed things with other parties we received this:

    At the meeting last Friday I took on a couple of tasks in relation to the song ‘The Billy Boys’.

    It is our understanding that ‘The Billy Boys’ refers to a criminal gang from the Bridgeton area of Glasgow and I can advise that any song sung which relates to criminal activity such as that gang engaged in cannot be given police approval. 

    Informal discussions have been undertaken with the Football Liaison Procurator Fiscal for the West of Scotland and he has indicated that there is currently no certainty that singing any particular version of ‘The Billy Boys’ can be guaranteed to avoid criminal charges.  However, consultation with Crown Office Policy Unit will be required to obtain a formal position from Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service.     

    I have also now spoken with a representative of the SFA and can advise that the SFA have said that this song has been banned by UEFA so discussions would need to be had with them before the song is brought back into the game.

    Even with the changed lyrics, individuals could possibly be encouraged to sing the offensive lyrics which as a result could cause complaints and arrests and such complaints could in turn result in sanctions being imposed on the club.  It is therefore essential that the group seek a view from the club on the desirability of this or other songs.

    As I advised at the meeting on Friday FoCUS will support the group with guidance on the criminal law, the Lord Advocate’s Guidelines on the Offensive Behaviour at Football and Threatening Communications (Scotland) Act 2012 and the types of behaviour which has resulted in prosecution.

    You should be able to contact the SFA on the general email address which is info@scottishsfa.co.uk

     

     

    I think the meeting was on the 19th April 2013 and after a phone call from them on 23rd the email arrived on 25th.

     

    I got the distinct impression that someone above FoCUS influenced the decision-making.

    That's it! I think that may be the letter I received too.

    Well found bud.

    Whatever happened to the "TBB Liaison Committee"?

    in Jimmy Bell's Kitroom

    Posted

    Just catching up on the thread, but while I am reading it I thought I would post an update:

    I've had an initial canned response from FoCUS, but after explaining I am looking for a specific letter and given all the pertinent information, they're looking for it for me.

    Hopefully they'll find it.

    Note that the impression i got about this at the time was that FoCUS themselves were for the idea, but when word got a little higher up the chain of "command" it got squashed. Not sure if by the PF or someone else.

     

    Whatever happened to the "TBB Liaison Committee"?

    in Jimmy Bell's Kitroom

    Posted

    5 minutes ago, One Jock Wallace said:

    Wasn't calling you a liar mate, quite the opposite. I admire Bears for being proactive and getting our song back rather than moaning about it & doing fuck all. Was referring to the whole situation were the law is so poor that Focus or the Crown office don't know or won't provide guidance.

    I think it was MM and I'm happy to share our dialogue via pm. Something I never wanted to do but I took my question all the way to the Crown office and the reply I received was pathetic. So fuck them.

    Ultimately I think it's a case of us agreeing the words and fighting any challenge in the courts with good representation and sound defence. They can't and haven't banned a tune regardless what some say. 

    Oh fair enough, sorry for misunderstanding.  In that case I agree with you that it is absolute bollocks.

    It really seems like one rule for us and one rule for everyone else.

    Whatever happened to the "TBB Liaison Committee"?

    in Jimmy Bell's Kitroom

    Posted

    8 minutes ago, One Jock Wallace said:

    Absolute nonsense. I contacted a senior officer from Focus who stated they were not aware of any list of banned songs. It's a total myth to stop us singing another version imo. I put the question to the officer that if I was to change the words from fenian blood to an alternative, could one be prosecuted. I would have to dig out my mails for her reply but it was obvious you would not be brought to the courts if the words were non sectarian, regardless of the tune. 

    Firstly, don't call me a liar, especially when I was not the only witness to this, and there is documentary evidence.

    Secondly were the officer's initials EM or MM? As those were the two officers in question.

    Note that what you said you were told by FoCUS is the same thing we were told by FoCUS initially, right up until the issue was escalated - it was at that point that the whole thing got swiftly squashed.

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