The last 6-8 years at Murray Park

[Jimfanciesthedude 25,043]

having heard about the 4 trialists at murray park the other day, plus the signing of that alloa boy, and now we are linked with another youngster from down south, im beginning to wonder what the fuck has been going on at murray park since it opened,

how is it that in our most desperate time of need, we only have 2 players from murray park that are deemed good enough to step up to the first team

i can understand if we had major long term injuries, we would look to add experienced players, but barring anymore injuries, we could have a full squad back by the middle of febuary, so why isnt there any young guys able to step up

especially as in our next 6 games we should have games where young lads are able to compete without too much pressure

i find it very disheartening that the club is looking for other youngsters, when we are talking about playing mcculloch up front in a massive game against hearts (i know mcculloch was a striker back in the day, but he's no played there since coming to the club ffs)

someone at the club should be explaining why either

1) we have good enough young guys, but for some reason they dont get a shot

2) we have a bunch of young players that arent good enough, and therefore why the fuck are they still here, especially the ones that have been there since their early teens

[wearethemighty 186]

The kids arent gonna get a chance, thats been apparent for years, we dont invest enough time and effort to recruiting talent from not only Scotland and the uk but worldwide. When the new fifa/uefa regulations about homegrown talent comes in we're gonna be shafted!

[simon 1,758]

I see what you are saying and I agree. But the fact that we are looking for more younger players is a positive thing. Look at Arsenal they are always signing young talent. They do however give them a chance quite regularly.

[flecky1 4]

Were are a club who has to win every game. If the youngsters are good enough they will make it.

No reserve league meant we let some young guys go too last summer, we cant have too many players on the books as we can only play 11 in the first team.

It should be about quality, not quantity.

We got 9m for Hutton, we should have handled Burke and McCormack better. Weve got McGregor, weve got Wilson, weve got Fleck, weve got some others just about on the fringes.

I think weve done, just ok, not great. We should be making more money out of our youngsters when they move on. But were not exactly masters of negotiations at this current time.

Im very interested in any trialists coming to Rangers or indeed any player training at our training ground just to see what type of quality the coaches are bringing in and what ambitions the club is showing.

I think it ridiculous that we dont have a young left winger at the club or a young tricky right winger or a young hotshot striker who the manager can rely on to cover for the senior players.

None of the young guys at the training ground just now got any pace or skill? or anything different? anything exciting?

Our youth development and player recruitment could and should be so much better. Im sure they are working on it but finances are having a say in every aspect of our club just now, cheers Sir David!

[Jimfanciesthedude 25,043]

since murray park opened we have had

hutton

shagger

wilson

fleck

that have all been good enough for the rangers first team

thats fucking shambolic

if there are ANY players at the club aged 18-20, and they arent being touted for a first team game now (due to our current circumstances), then surely they must be let go, because this is THE best time for young players

[MartinGers93 388]

We have let many good young players go like Fetai Ashikodi Furman and more who never got a chance and would have been good at rangera furman was a future gers captain imo he was agreat attacking midfield played like kevin thomson before his injury going into all tackles giving momentum to the team creating opportunities and what do we let him out on loan he gets 1st team football bye bye same with everyone we have had who is a young prospect

[Emerson 2]

I made a post the other day about what was the point in our youth development. Its not even as if the talent is not out there. We have seen Hibs,Motherwell,Falkirk and Aberdeen produce quality yougsters year in year out. Have they slipped through the net or is it the case that they saw Murray Park as dead ground for youngsters.

[Jimfanciesthedude 25,043]

I made a post the other day about what was the point in our youth development. Its not even as if the talent is not out there. We have seen Hibs,Motherwell,Falkirk and Aberdeen produce quality yougsters year in year out. Have they slipped through the net or is it the case that they saw Murray Park as dead ground for youngsters.

up until this season (maybe even last season) any youth choosing between us and the diddy clubs would choose a diddy club always due to the improved chance of a first team game a lot quicker

first team games equals higher wages, win bonuses and bragging rights in the nightclubs (scottish mentality for you)

BUT

where the fuck are the players that DID choose rangers all they years ago

where the fuck are the now 18-20 year olds that joined us 8 years ago, and have been training with us for the best part of last decade

are we to believe that in the last 8 years, murray park has produced only 4 players deemed rangers class by whatever management team/coach team that was employed at the time

if so then tore andre flo's record as rangers biggest ever financial flop seems to be in danger

[wearethemighty 186]

We should actually send the young players that show progress to some team in say Norway or Sweden Belgium even just to see if they can handle these sorts of situations. We should also be looking to all other continents, take their talented youngsters like almost every other team in europe does.

We wasted Murray Park (no wonder it failed with that name!)

Our management have continually overlooked the youth policy at the club, one of the reasons I wished PLG had been given a bit more time, now we're basically back to square one, even though I couildnt care less what Sellt'it do even they've got their own facility now and we sould have been so far ahead in youth development by now, it really is very sad.

[Emerson 2]

I made a post the other day about what was the point in our youth development. Its not even as if the talent is not out there. We have seen Hibs,Motherwell,Falkirk and Aberdeen produce quality yougsters year in year out. Have they slipped through the net or is it the case that they saw Murray Park as dead ground for youngsters.

up until this season (maybe even last season) any youth choosing between us and the diddy clubs would choose a diddy club always due to the improved chance of a first team game a lot quicker

first team games equals higher wages, win bonuses and bragging rights in the nightclubs (scottish mentality for you)

BUT

where the fuck are the players that DID choose rangers all they years ago

where the fuck are the now 18-20 year olds that joined us 8 years ago, and have been training with us for the best part of last decade

are we to believe that in the last 8 years, murray park has produced only 4 players deemed rangers class by whatever management team/coach team that was employed at the time

if so then tore andre flo's record as rangers biggest ever financial flop seems to be in danger

To be fair, Murray Park is not and never has been a Youth Academy. Its a state of the art training facility. Which begs another question...

[Jimfanciesthedude 25,043]

I made a post the other day about what was the point in our youth development. Its not even as if the talent is not out there. We have seen Hibs,Motherwell,Falkirk and Aberdeen produce quality yougsters year in year out. Have they slipped through the net or is it the case that they saw Murray Park as dead ground for youngsters.

up until this season (maybe even last season) any youth choosing between us and the diddy clubs would choose a diddy club always due to the improved chance of a first team game a lot quicker

first team games equals higher wages, win bonuses and bragging rights in the nightclubs (scottish mentality for you)

BUT

where the fuck are the players that DID choose rangers all they years ago

where the fuck are the now 18-20 year olds that joined us 8 years ago, and have been training with us for the best part of last decade

are we to believe that in the last 8 years, murray park has produced only 4 players deemed rangers class by whatever management team/coach team that was employed at the time

if so then tore andre flo's record as rangers biggest ever financial flop seems to be in danger

To be fair, Murray Park is not and never has been a Youth Academy. Its a state of the art training facility. Which begs another question...

a state of the art training facility that cannot produce more than 4 potential first team regulars in 8 years

[Bobby83 0]

We produce lots of talented youngsters but our management team are so against youth.

[Elfideldo 4,468]

Not another Murray Park is a waste post !! These usually come from somebody that has never been there and never seen the Youths play.

We have seen Hibs,Motherwell,Falkirk and Aberdeen produce quality youngsters year in year out

Hibs I would agree with to an extent, but Riordan has proved to be a "Hibs", the jury is out on Thomson (at best), Whittaker is regularly slated on here, as is Brown and Gary O'Connor when he was mentioned as a possible target.

Motherwell with the exception of McFadden have produced Motherwell players.

Falkirk have produced Falkirk players, Aberdeen have produced Aberdeen players ( although Fyfie looks the exception and a real talent)

How many players recently produced by these clubs in recent years would be Rangers first picks ? Rangers have produced plenty players of that standard, look around the leagues, but being a Rangers player requires something more.

All this has been done where theses clubs have reached the heady heights of fourth in the league and never won a cup in that time. The facts are Rangers have to WIN, two defeats is a crisis. Not the best environment to introduce young players.

We have let many good young players go like Fetai Ashikodi Furman

With all due respect to the three lads, Fetai is with the Danish equivalent of Hamilton Accies, Ashikodi was last seen at Shrewsbury Town and Furnam is at Oldham Athletic (21st in Division 1), where he has played 21 games an failed to find the net once.

Despite what is suggested on these forums, Rangers should look at every player recommended to them. You may be surprised to know that Danny Wilson, Jamie Ness, Gregg Wylde, Archie Campbell, Kyle Hutton to nae a few, were all at other senior clubs before Rangers. It is not difficult to send a scout to take in a game and make a decision. Fortunately the club does this and there are probably over 100 trialists through Murray Park every season. You only need to look at how many time the word "trialist" comes up in the blog match reports.If Mendes hadn't played the other day, nobody would have reported on the trialists, this is a weekly occurance, especially during a transfer window.

The net will have to be cast wider as the raw materials in Scotland are thin on the ground. At the other side of the city their youth lineups this season have on quite a few ocassions only included four Scots and Hibs youth squad has eight players from south of the border.

Visit Murray Park and see the work that the scouts and coaches put in before having a go at them. They can only do so much but its not an exact science and there are a multitude of factors that contribute to successes and failures.

[Jimfanciesthedude 25,043]

We produce lots of talented youngsters but our management team are so against youth.

eck wasnt,

yet in his 4 and a half years in charge we produced shagger and hutton, and started wilson and fleck

the rest have been determined as not good enough

burke, got games, but wasnt good enough

mccormack, same as burke, slightly less games

mclean, sent out on loan, top scorer in league 1 and then flogged on

lowing, deemed not good enough by current regime

adam, deemed not good enough

smith, blighted by injury, possibly let go when his next contract runs out

furman, sent on loan, looked great down there, so we didnt do enough to keep him

im sure the more in depth posters on here will remember more of them,

but with 8 years of top class training facilities, we have a shocking record of players, considering we have the likes of broadfoot, whittaker, lafferty etc in the team

[BlueSuedeSambas 54,617]

Not another Murray Park is a waste post !! These usually come from somebody that has never been there and never seen the Youths play.

We have seen Hibs,Motherwell,Falkirk and Aberdeen produce quality youngsters year in year out

Hibs I would agree with to an extent, but Riordan has proved to be a "Hibs", the jury is out on Thomson (at best), Whittaker is regularly slated on here, as is Brown and Gary O'Connor when he was mentioned as a possible target.

Motherwell with the exception of McFadden have produced Motherwell players.

Falkirk have produced Falkirk players, Aberdeen have produced Aberdeen players ( although Fyfie looks the exception and a real talent)

How many players recently produced by these clubs in recent years would be Rangers first picks ? Rangers have produced plenty players of that standard, look around the leagues, but being a Rangers player requires something more.

All this has been done where theses clubs have reached the heady heights of fourth in the league and never won a cup in that time. The facts are Rangers have to WIN, two defeats is a crisis. Not the best environment to introduce young players.

We have let many good young players go like Fetai Ashikodi Furman

With all due respect to the three lads, Fetai is with the Danish equivalent of Hamilton Accies, Ashikodi was last seen at Shrewsbury Town and Furnam is at Oldham Athletic (21st in Division 1), where he has played 21 games an failed to find the net once.

Despite what is suggested on these forums, Rangers should look at every player recommended to them. You may be surprised to know that Danny Wilson, Jamie Ness, Gregg Wylde, Archie Campbell, Kyle Hutton to nae a few, were all at other senior clubs before Rangers. It is not difficult to send a scout to take in a game and make a decision. Fortunately the club does this and there are probably over 100 trialists through Murray Park every season. You only need to look at how many time the word "trialist" comes up in the blog match reports.If Mendes hadn't played the other day, nobody would have reported on the trialists, this is a weekly occurance, especially during a transfer window.

The net will have to be cast wider as the raw materials in Scotland are thin on the ground. At the other side of the city their youth lineups this season have on quite a few ocassions only included four Scots and Hibs youth squad has eight players from south of the border.

Visit Murray Park and see the work that the scouts and coaches put in before having a go at them. They can only do so much but its not an exact science and there are a multitude of factors that contribute to successes and failures.

Fantastic post

[DinViesel 399]

Not another Murray Park is a waste post !! These usually come from somebody that has never been there and never seen the Youths play.

We have seen Hibs,Motherwell,Falkirk and Aberdeen produce quality youngsters year in year out

Hibs I would agree with to an extent, but Riordan has proved to be a "Hibs", the jury is out on Thomson (at best), Whittaker is regularly slated on here, as is Brown and Gary O'Connor when he was mentioned as a possible target.

Motherwell with the exception of McFadden have produced Motherwell players.

Falkirk have produced Falkirk players, Aberdeen have produced Aberdeen players ( although Fyfie looks the exception and a real talent)

How many players recently produced by these clubs in recent years would be Rangers first picks ? Rangers have produced plenty players of that standard, look around the leagues, but being a Rangers player requires something more.

All this has been done where theses clubs have reached the heady heights of fourth in the league and never won a cup in that time. The facts are Rangers have to WIN, two defeats is a crisis. Not the best environment to introduce young players.

We have let many good young players go like Fetai Ashikodi Furman

With all due respect to the three lads, Fetai is with the Danish equivalent of Hamilton Accies, Ashikodi was last seen at Shrewsbury Town and Furnam is at Oldham Athletic (21st in Division 1), where he has played 21 games an failed to find the net once.

Despite what is suggested on these forums, Rangers should look at every player recommended to them. You may be surprised to know that Danny Wilson, Jamie Ness, Gregg Wylde, Archie Campbell, Kyle Hutton to nae a few, were all at other senior clubs before Rangers. It is not difficult to send a scout to take in a game and make a decision. Fortunately the club does this and there are probably over 100 trialists through Murray Park every season. You only need to look at how many time the word "trialist" comes up in the blog match reports.If Mendes hadn't played the other day, nobody would have reported on the trialists, this is a weekly occurance, especially during a transfer window.

The net will have to be cast wider as the raw materials in Scotland are thin on the ground. At the other side of the city their youth lineups this season have on quite a few ocassions only included four Scots and Hibs youth squad has eight players from south of the border.

Visit Murray Park and see the work that the scouts and coaches put in before having a go at them. They can only do so much but its not an exact science and there are a multitude of factors that contribute to successes and failures.

I read your blog and I must say if I am going to listen to anyone regarding Murray Park it is your good self. Keep up the good work.

[Jimfanciesthedude 25,043]

Not another Murray Park is a waste post !! These usually come from somebody that has never been there and never seen the Youths play.

so how do you explain that this coming weekend, we could end up with lee mcculloch and kyle lafferty up front for a vital home game against hearts at ibrox

where are all these young lads that are banging down the managers door for a game, smith has shown this season that in his most desperate times, he will use a youngster (wilson)

i will admit to knowing next to nothing about the youths,

so i'll put the question out to others that do

who in the youths are goo enough to step up THIS WEEKEND,

surely after 8 years we must have a youth or 2 that can???????

[ScotBear 144]

Not another Murray Park is a waste post !! These usually come from somebody that has never been there and never seen the Youths play.

We have seen Hibs,Motherwell,Falkirk and Aberdeen produce quality youngsters year in year out

Hibs I would agree with to an extent, but Riordan has proved to be a "Hibs", the jury is out on Thomson (at best), Whittaker is regularly slated on here, as is Brown and Gary O'Connor when he was mentioned as a possible target.

Motherwell with the exception of McFadden have produced Motherwell players.

Falkirk have produced Falkirk players, Aberdeen have produced Aberdeen players ( although Fyfie looks the exception and a real talent)

How many players recently produced by these clubs in recent years would be Rangers first picks ? Rangers have produced plenty players of that standard, look around the leagues, but being a Rangers player requires something more.

All this has been done where theses clubs have reached the heady heights of fourth in the league and never won a cup in that time. The facts are Rangers have to WIN, two defeats is a crisis. Not the best environment to introduce young players.

We have let many good young players go like Fetai Ashikodi Furman

With all due respect to the three lads, Fetai is with the Danish equivalent of Hamilton Accies, Ashikodi was last seen at Shrewsbury Town and Furnam is at Oldham Athletic (21st in Division 1), where he has played 21 games an failed to find the net once.

Despite what is suggested on these forums, Rangers should look at every player recommended to them. You may be surprised to know that Danny Wilson, Jamie Ness, Gregg Wylde, Archie Campbell, Kyle Hutton to nae a few, were all at other senior clubs before Rangers. It is not difficult to send a scout to take in a game and make a decision. Fortunately the club does this and there are probably over 100 trialists through Murray Park every season. You only need to look at how many time the word "trialist" comes up in the blog match reports.If Mendes hadn't played the other day, nobody would have reported on the trialists, this is a weekly occurance, especially during a transfer window.

The net will have to be cast wider as the raw materials in Scotland are thin on the ground. At the other side of the city their youth lineups this season have on quite a few ocassions only included four Scots and Hibs youth squad has eight players from south of the border.

Visit Murray Park and see the work that the scouts and coaches put in before having a go at them. They can only do so much but its not an exact science and there are a multitude of factors that contribute to successes and failures.

Fantastic post

[TexasGers 96]

Not another Murray Park is a waste post !! These usually come from somebody that has never been there and never seen the Youths play.

We have seen Hibs,Motherwell,Falkirk and Aberdeen produce quality youngsters year in year out

Hibs I would agree with to an extent, but Riordan has proved to be a "Hibs", the jury is out on Thomson (at best), Whittaker is regularly slated on here, as is Brown and Gary O'Connor when he was mentioned as a possible target.

Motherwell with the exception of McFadden have produced Motherwell players.

Falkirk have produced Falkirk players, Aberdeen have produced Aberdeen players ( although Fyfie looks the exception and a real talent)

How many players recently produced by these clubs in recent years would be Rangers first picks ? Rangers have produced plenty players of that standard, look around the leagues, but being a Rangers player requires something more.

All this has been done where theses clubs have reached the heady heights of fourth in the league and never won a cup in that time. The facts are Rangers have to WIN, two defeats is a crisis. Not the best environment to introduce young players.

We have let many good young players go like Fetai Ashikodi Furman

With all due respect to the three lads, Fetai is with the Danish equivalent of Hamilton Accies, Ashikodi was last seen at Shrewsbury Town and Furnam is at Oldham Athletic (21st in Division 1), where he has played 21 games an failed to find the net once.

Despite what is suggested on these forums, Rangers should look at every player recommended to them. You may be surprised to know that Danny Wilson, Jamie Ness, Gregg Wylde, Archie Campbell, Kyle Hutton to nae a few, were all at other senior clubs before Rangers. It is not difficult to send a scout to take in a game and make a decision. Fortunately the club does this and there are probably over 100 trialists through Murray Park every season. You only need to look at how many time the word "trialist" comes up in the blog match reports.If Mendes hadn't played the other day, nobody would have reported on the trialists, this is a weekly occurance, especially during a transfer window.

The net will have to be cast wider as the raw materials in Scotland are thin on the ground. At the other side of the city their youth lineups this season have on quite a few ocassions only included four Scots and Hibs youth squad has eight players from south of the border.

Visit Murray Park and see the work that the scouts and coaches put in before having a go at them. They can only do so much but its not an exact science and there are a multitude of factors that contribute to successes and failures.

An excellent post

[Elfideldo 4,468]

who in the youths are goo enough to step up THIS WEEKEND

If you are asking me that question, I think Rory Loy deserves a chance.

From the youths, as in the under 19's, in my opinion we don't have anybody in that position (striker) ready for the first team.

[papaguy51 912]

I don't think it's been as effective as a youth production line as many would have hoped, but even the best full-on youth academy systems have taken a minimum of ten years before they've started bearing fruit.

Given that it's not an out and out youth facility, the fact that it's produced four or five players that could potentially pay for the place twice over in almost eight years isn't too shabby.

[Jimfanciesthedude 25,043]

who in the youths are goo enough to step up THIS WEEKEND

If you are asking me that question, I think Rory Loy deserves a chance.

From the youths, as in the under 19's, in my opinion we don't have anybody in that position (striker) ready for the first team.

thats the point of my thread there,

8 years of top youth facilities and we havent brought through 1 striker that can step into the first team

yet killie managed to train up the SPL top goalscorer

my main question is where does the blame lie for our shocking youth record

the management for failling to spot the talent when recommended to them by the coaches

or the coaches for recommending substandard players in the first place, and therefore being the ones that trained up these substandard players

[Jimfanciesthedude 25,043]

I don't think it's been as effective as a youth production line as many would have hoped, but even the best full-on youth academy systems have taken a minimum of ten years before they've started bearing fruit.

Given that it's not an out and out youth facility, the fact that it's produced four or five players that could potentially pay for the place twice over in almost eight years isn't too shabby.

didnt it cost 14million

and apart from hutton, there have been no other indications that the rest of the first teamers produced will bring in big money

we can speculate all we want regarding shagger, wilson and flecks value, but until another club offers something thats all it is, specualtion

as a training facility it hasnt done enough imo

and as a youth facility it hasnt done enough

[papaguy51 912]

£9m for Hutton.

If we were to sell Shagger right now, I'd expect at least £5m if Gordon cost £9m.

If Wilson continues his development (at this pace) at Rangers over the next three years, I'd expect at least as much as we got for Hutton.

Fleck - only time will tell.

[Jimfanciesthedude 25,043]

£9m for Hutton.

If we were to sell Shagger right now, I'd expect at least £5m if Gordon cost £9m.

If Wilson continues his development (at this pace) at Rangers over the next three years, I'd expect at least as much as we got for Hutton.

Fleck - only time will tell.

your forgetting papa that we sold/released

a champions league experienced player

a scottish internationalist

a soon to be scottish internationalist at the time

the top scorer in league 1 while on loan

and we probably only made 400k profit for doing that

expecting us to take good money is one thing, actually doing it is another