andymcg1986 259 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 now is a great time to follow through with what we started by actually raising the money which we previously all pledged!! if green was prepared to sell the club for 20million to smith could we as fans not raise that sort of cash?? i would imagine something in the region of 15 million could actually be achieved by doing this! and if we were to start again from division three we could restructure the club from pillar to post paying small wages until we are back in the spl!! the money saved in three seasons of low wages could go straight into our title push for the spl and we would then assemble a nice squad with a blend of young talent with first team experience with experienced pros! and rightfuly return to being spl champions!!!WATP Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clemdog 39,389 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Not sure mate, he's not replying to my texts.Anyone else tried him? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wearethemighty 186 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 £5,500,000.01P? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickywelsh 45 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Duno mate. Would love it.The only way we could raise that sort of cash would be via a fans membership scheme.That could raise some serious cash if done right.A simple but affective scheme with huge potential. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eosmhdo 1,879 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 £5,500,000.01P?You back in Mini? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andymcg1986 259 Posted June 19, 2012 Author Share Posted June 19, 2012 Duno mate. Would love it.The only way we could raise that sort of cash would be via a fans membership scheme.That could raise some serious cash if done right.A simple but affective scheme with huge potential.TOTALLY AGREE but we would need someone we trust at the helm i dont see why we shouldnt try if green has stated he would sell for the right price!! how muchdid we get to in the pledge??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 24,933 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 he could easily put up 40% of the club for a public sale and make enough to cover the club for a good few seasons, that leaves his consortium with 60% of the club between them still Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Negri's Beard 1,423 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 he could easily put up 40% of the club for a public sale and make enough to cover the club for a good few seasons, that leaves his consortium with 60% of the club between them stillA far more realistic and workable situation. The club would be a shambles if fully owned by the fans Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickywelsh 45 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 I know this was banded about for raising cash for the rfff but obviously nothing happened.Don't know why.Dortmund and Munich for example have them and they raise serious cash for them on an annual basis.It also gives overseas bears who obviously can't get to games a chance to be more involved with the club.Something simple as £120 per year or £10 per month could raise serious cash.50,000 X 120 = £6million. Open up worldwide that figure could be massive especially now when everyone is feeling we are being battered from pillar to post. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickywelsh 45 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Agree the fans shouldn't completely run the club. But we should raise cash to invest in the team. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesbro1976 162 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 So who guides us? Who has the ability to take us through this mess? No one. That's fine maybe two yrs down the road, but not just now. Way to early in the recovery process for me. Would be great, but still too early when so much is happening. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wearethemighty 186 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 You back in Mini? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickywelsh 45 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Its not too early for the fans to invest. Yes to own the club but not to raise cash? Barcelona fans do it with their scheme where they vote on a new president every 2 years and have seat on the board.The membership money is invested in the team. Its so simple with huge potential. Need a trust worthy board aka the fighting fund for example with leading bears fronting the scheme ie Walter. The fans have the power n potential to raise real cash if done right. Players bought with the cash any future sell on invested into the team again. No profit just money into the team. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesbro1976 162 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 So let me see, and I am all for us raising cash. Season ticket 400, plus twenty a month sounds good to me. I don't have a problem, but don't think we can reastically set out any plan until where know where we are playing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BMC 125 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Well, let us first see how the model works in Germany where it´s more or less standard.The idea is that paying members got voting rights yes, depending on where you live you can vote for which elector (rather like an MP) you want to represent you in the AGM. These electors than vote on a number of proposed members of the board when their mandate is up for renewal.The board then elects a President who will choose his club Directors among suitable candidates.At a glance there ain´t much difference because the topdog at the club is more likely than not to be someone rich and influential. The difference is perhaps that he´s more expected to make sure the clubs got good sponsors, good finances etc. Not bankrolling the club.As for the financial gain of the club, let us avoid looking at a giant like Bayern Munich but look at Schalke who are fairly big. They got about a 100k members that pay the club something like €6m p.a net. Adults pay €75, children and old farts less. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissg910 110 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 only possible if you get someone to front the 20mil.it would take between 5-10 yrs for the fans to be able to raise that kind of money imho. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdocherty72 215 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 I know this was banded about for raising cash for the rfff but obviously nothing happened.Don't know why.Dortmund and Munich for example have them and they raise serious cash for them on an annual basis.It also gives overseas bears who obviously can't get to games a chance to be more involved with the club.Something simple as £120 per year or £10 per month could raise serious cash.50,000 X 120 = £6million. Open up worldwide that figure could be massive especially now when everyone is feeling we are being battered from pillar to post. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paisleyroad 894 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Green told a taxi driver that i was speaking to today that someone keeps sending him e.mails offering Jaffa Cakes . . . don't think it's the full packet though Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rm1972 3 Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 gut sick of the 50 or so types of speculation concernining the club,most fans are sick of it as well,different owners,conmen,last minute bids,uncertainty of anything realistic,the more this drags on the more the fans will get disillusioned and thats not a good thing especially at this stage,green put the money up when nobody else would and were shuffling their feet,now its walter the saviour? if that goes tits up whats next/.? the organisation from the rst and walter should have been done by now and ready to go into the final stages of the bidding if thats what the fans really want? what next? who knows? and the more it drags on the less the fans are going to care,and thats sad for a great club.watp Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non_Sucumbi 876 Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 Dortmund and Munich for example have them and they raise serious cash for them on an annual basis.Actually all Bundesliga blubs operate a membership scheme.German clubs are actually sporting associations. Some of these clubs were formed years ago out of mundane groups such as gymnastic clubs.German clubs operate on a 50+1 rule mandated by the government where bu a minimum of 51% of the club must be owned by the club members. This does not prevent private investment for businessmen who wish to invest in the club but prevents any one individual from exercising total control. Clubs are run by a board made up of delegates selected by the shareholders. This gives the membership a say in the running of the club.Not sure if this model would work for Rangers but I suspect it would have prevented this fiasco. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elephants stoned 2,994 Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 Fan investment great idea, full fan ownership, cant see it working, unless we get rid of the billion or so fan chiefs and get 1 supporters group and manage to avoid the kind of bitter infighting we see everyday at the moment. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickywelsh 45 Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 I think it would work.If the rfff drafted a model and canvassed the idea i am sure the feedback would be positive. There is no reason that i can see how the scheme wouldn't raise cash to invest in the team. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickywelsh 45 Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 Agree full ownership is a no go. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DelightfulDennis 123 Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 The fact Walter's consortium has been forced to walk away suggests he's looking to make a big profit. It seems £6m (500k profit) doesn't even scratch the surface with this guy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmiston Drive 3,846 Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 The fact Walter's consortium has been forced to walk away suggests he's looking to make a big profit. It seems £6m (500k profit) doesn't even scratch the surface with this guy.How do you make a profit from selling at £6m and arithmetic was a strong point of mine at my non apartheid school Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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