1st_Jan_1994 4,868 Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Are the losses acceptable?They are accountable Put it that way Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al 55 9,341 Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 They are accountable Put it that wayBeing legal doesn't make them acceptable!Are you happy after 24 months and however many millions we are asking players to take cuts? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythebest 11,453 Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 All so predictably quick to criticise. I could have guessed the posters without reading the thread.Are the losses acceptable?Not really but there's more to it than simply blaming the big bad Spivs Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al 55 9,341 Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Not really but there's more to it than simply blaming the big bad SpivsI find it incredible we still try to justify the decisions made by the previous regime...it's bizarre. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythebest 11,453 Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 I find it incredible we still try to justify the decisions made by the previous regime...it's bizarre.Well we aren't in administration again despite hysteria Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Getstiffed 8,863 Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Being legal doesn't make them acceptable!Are you happy after 24 months and however many millions we are asking players to take cuts?Clearly you want those responsible for abusing their positions at the club for financial gain to be held accountable.Green is gone. Ahmed is gone. Stockbrigde is gone.Who else took shares at on obscenely low price. Who else took an obscenely over inflated salary.I wonder. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al 55 9,341 Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Well we aren't in administration again despite hysteriaOh well that's ok then, FFS seriously people bleat on about a utopian idealistic idiom of total football being ruined but don't give a fuck about gross financial mis-management of our club."It doesn't matter we're not in admin yet" Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythebest 11,453 Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Oh well that's ok then, FFS seriously people bleat on about a utopian idealistic idiom of total football being ruined but don't give a fuck about gross financial mis-management of our club."It doesn't matter we're not in admin yet" I haven't said any of that, but there was/is horrendous overreaction to the pay cut proposal and the possibility of Wallace getting sold. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al 55 9,341 Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Clearly you want those responsible for abusing their positions at the club for financial gain to be held accountable.Green is gone. Ahmed is gone. Stockbrigde is gone.Who else took shares at on obscenely low price. Who else took an obscenely over inflated salary.I wonder.I don't give a fuck if Ally is the next target. A very wise person once told me two rights don't make a wrong. Good advice when trying to debate on here. Is McCoist having penny shares some sort of sadistic justification for what has happened to us in the last 24 months? Does it make you feel better?Although there's a difference between being given and taking. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
topgoalie 637 Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Bit late for that pish when those that have filled their pockets have fucked off.Correct,twice bitten thrice shy..should be our new motto......there is no point in regurgatating our boardroom shenanigins.......Wallace will get the job done...... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al 55 9,341 Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 I haven't said any of that, but there was/is horrendous overreaction to the pay cut proposal and the possibility of Wallace getting sold.It's not the pay cut...it's the necessity for the pay cut, I hope you can see that! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythebest 11,453 Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 It's not the pay cut...it's the necessity for the pay cut, I hope you can see that!I think any idiot could tell that we've signed too many players on big wages for this level, but then if we hadn't the board would have been accused by many of not backing the manager Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bawsburst 1,381 Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 A bus driver does the same job as a jumbo jet pilot he transports passengers, but doesn't get the Hollywood wages, Rangers players and coaches are doing the same job as premier league players and coaches in a pub league, difference is they are getting the Hollywood wages. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al 55 9,341 Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 I think any idiot could tell that we've signed too many players on big wages for this level, but then if we hadn't the board would have been accused by many of not backing the managerPerhaps it would have been better if "any idiot" had been in charge of our finances, and to be fair our club. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st_Jan_1994 4,868 Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Being legal doesn't make them acceptable!Are you happy after 24 months and however many millions we are asking players to take cuts?But it does make them justifiable to an extent I'm happy that the avenue was explored tbh, the players said no so we move on. No biggie I'm annoyed at the pay offs and wasted wages on the football side of things that McCoist is responsible for and I never liked the 100% bonus scheme that M.M set up either But Stockbridge gave that back This is another anti board rant from Rae someone who has talked utter shite about us in recent past but yet is still happy to take gigs, hand outs and freebies from the club - he's got a fuckin cheek Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st_Jan_1994 4,868 Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 I think any idiot could tell that we've signed too many players on big wages for this level, but then if we hadn't the board would have been accused by many of not backing the managerExactly Damned if he does or doesn't McCoist is actually quite sinister and manipulative - the proof was how he got the fans to turn on Green after Forfar and he would have done the same with Mather had he not kept saying yes to him Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythebest 11,453 Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Exactly Damned if he does or doesn't McCoist is actually quite sinister and manipulative - the proof was how he got the fans to turn on Green after Forfar and he would have done the same with Mather had he not kept saying yes to himUncomfortable truth for many Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al 55 9,341 Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 But it does make them justifiable to an extent I'm happy that the avenue was explored tbh, the players said no so we move on. No biggie I'm annoyed at the pay offs and wasted wages on the football side of things that McCoist is responsible for and I never liked the 100% bonus scheme that M.M set up either But Stockbridge gave that back This is another anti board rant from Rae someone who has talked utter shite about us in recent past but yet is still happy to take gigs, hand outs and freebies from the club - he's got a fuckin cheekFair enough, it's the core of the article I agree with...the losses are embarrassing, unforgivable and most of all totally unessecary. We as a result find ourselves trying to cuts costs, 24 months after a clean slate, and people still try to justify it...seriously.Of course all of us whiter than white, purer than the driven snow would have refused any offer of penny share options in our contracts...I'm guilty I took the offer when my company gave them to me Anyway finished my bottle if wine going to bed.You guys continue to attack the real enemy within. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Getstiffed 8,863 Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 I don't give a fuck if Ally is the next target. A very wise person once told me two rights don't make a wrong. Good advice when trying to debate on here. Is McCoist having penny shares some sort of sadistic justification for what has happened to us in the last 24 months? Does it make you feel better?Although there's a difference between being given and taking.No its not any kind of justification.I just enjoy pointing out the hypocrisy of people who decry the previous board members but won't touch the subject of Ally and his shenanigans with a ten foot barge pole.Robbed blind, to coin a phrase, is robbed blind. Regardless of who has done it to you.And I would argue in the circumstance we were in and the status of said parties at our club, that giving and receiving had barely any difference between them.Would you have taken the shares and/or the salary a matter of months after the club suffered an admin event and had its earning potential severely limited by demotion to the lowest division in the game? As a supporter of course. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al 55 9,341 Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 No its not any kind of justification.I just enjoy pointing out the hypocrisy of people who decry the previous board members but won't touch the subject of Ally and his shenanigans with a ten foot barge pole.Robbed blind, to coin a phrase, is robbed blind. Regardless of who has done it to you.And I would argue in the circumstance we were in and the status of said parties at our club, they should have known better.Would you have taken the shares and/or the salary a matter of months after the club suffered an admin event and had its earning potential severely limited by demotion to the lowest division in the game? As a supporter of course.No hypocrisy here my point is and will always be the losses are unacceptable. I don't care who is to blame.You can argue all you like wether or not McCoist should have taken his salary, it changes nothing with regards the gross financial mis management of our club.Any CEO worth his salt would have immediately cut his salary after 12 months or sacked him. No one is more important than the club. Your point is ridiculous you are some how trying to justify gross financial mismanagement by suggesting it's allOk because McCoist was complicit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Getstiffed 8,863 Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 No hypocrisy here my point is and will always be the losses are unacceptable. I don't care who is to blame.You can argue all you like wether or not McCoist should have taken his salary, it changes nothing with regards the gross financial mis management of our club.Any CEO worth his salt would have immediately cut his salary after 12 months or sacked him. No one is more important than the club. Your point is ridiculous you are some how trying to justify gross financial mismanagement by suggesting it's allOk because McCoist was complicit.Except its not my point at all. The first sentence gives it away. There is no justification for it at all. The problem you are having it seems is that you dont see that its a culture amongst our support to apply morality or ethical standards only to people they dont like. How is any mismanagement of the club to be avoided if this is the case?Now do me a favor. Reply to what I've typed, not what you interpret it as, but what is actually written. Its plain English. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al 55 9,341 Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Except its not my point at all. The first sentence gives it away. There is no justification for it at all. The problem you are having it seems is that you dont see that its a culture amongst our support to apply morality or ethical standards only to people they dont like. How is any mismanagement of the club to be avoided if this is the case?Now do me a favor. Reply to what I've typed, not what you interpret it as, but what is actually written. Its plain English.It's mis management. The rest is irrelevant as far as I'm concerned. The directors are responsible for that. To suggest otherwise is completely ridiculous.Am I disappointed McCoist as a super duper Rangers man didn't forgoe his salary forvever and donate his shares to RM? Yes of course amI'm.Are you happy with the losses? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.T.G 10,773 Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Attacking Rae when all he has said is cunts taking our money and doing a runnerIts the truth but yet the usuals give it the old "financial expert Rae" blah blah blahFucking dickheads most of u tbh Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythebest 11,453 Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Attacking Rae when all he has said is cunts taking our money and doing a runnerIts the truth but yet the usuals give it the old "financial expert Rae" blah blah blahFucking dickheads most of u tbhWell the door is there... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUEDIGNITY 33,823 Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Why don't they awe shut their fuckin mooths and let Wallace get on with the job in hand instead of trying to throw spanners in the works for their own selfish and long term harmful gain ! Ponces out ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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