Malvern 11,329 Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 Sorry, what are your constructive points?You haven't made a lot yourself. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_r_sole 366 Posted February 23, 2015 Author Share Posted February 23, 2015 The details are irrelevant. All cultures are allowed (and need) their enemies. It's what the fabric of the state is built upon.so you think it's ok for say, islamic extremists to target particular people, or even old adolf? I think there are limits and extremes that modern society and peoples morals should set the line, not everything is acceptable - and the details are most definitely relevant Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
govanblue 16,847 Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 so you think it's ok for say, islamic extremists to target particular people, or even old adolf? I think there are limits and extremes that modern society and peoples morals should set the line, not everything is acceptable - and the details are most definitely relevantanother straw man.Did I say it was okay for islamic extremists to target particular people, or even old adolf?I said it is okay for a society to celebrate historic events, such as the defeat of the enemy at the gates . Nothing there about hating other societies. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_r_sole 366 Posted February 23, 2015 Author Share Posted February 23, 2015 another straw man.Did I say it was okay for islamic extremists to target particular people, or even old adolf?I said it is okay for a society to celebrate historic events, such as the defeat of the enemy at the gates . Nothing there about hating other societies."The details are irrelevant. All cultures are allowed (and need) their enemies." Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
govanblue 16,847 Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 and the details are most definitely relevantAs I think my national anthems showed, the details are completely irrelevant. it can be the thunder of distant guns, or it can be throats getting slit. Our societies continue to celebrate and embrace these victories, so to try to paint Rangers Fans as somehow any worse is disingenuous. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D'Artagnan 13,319 Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 but which particular battle are you talking about? I'm sure signing a song about killing black/jews/gays whatever would not be well received in modern society. and what does it have to do with a game of football?This one is singled out over and over, not by me - and it's something that could easily be changed to stop us being singled out - its a song at a game of football, it's not a national anthem. Every time there is anything mentioned about us we get this pish, we should be willing to adapt to lose the tag - again, it's down to us to change our own behaviour, it's just like being a grown up in society, sometimes you have to adjust your behaviour to get the most out of a situation.morally I don't like singing about killing anyone at a game tbh - billy boys is a rousing tune, but the lyrics are dubious.the anti sectarian bill makes some things a crime, it's down to interpretation, I would prefer to not have anything needing interpretation.you made some interesting suggestions about the origins of the song, I was genuinely interested in that, but the context has changed, significantly and we can adaptSo why have Celtic FC not been charged by the SFA, as a consequence of a section of their supporters glorifying a terrorist organisation which does exatly that? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
govanblue 16,847 Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 "The details are irrelevant. All cultures are allowed (and need) their enemies."Yes, ALL cultures. even Islamic Extremists, and Nazis can have their songs too. As long as they stay within the same limits as the rest of us societies do, then they can get on with their singing.But if they cross the line, then action is takenWhere is the line I hear you ask? That's my point. It is very far away from the simple national celebration of a rather uncontroversial historical fact. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_r_sole 366 Posted February 23, 2015 Author Share Posted February 23, 2015 So why have Celtic FC not been charged by the SFA, as a consequence of a section of their supporters glorifying a terrorist organisation which does exatly that?I DON'T CARE ABOUT THEMI can't believe i've been accused of being a "taig" on here, it used to be them that were famous for the denials and deflections, seems half of you are happy to do the same when it suits Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malvern 11,329 Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 "The details are irrelevant. All cultures are allowed (and need) their enemies."I am going to start a campaign to get "Old MacDonald had a farm" banned as it has been sung to me most of my life. Or in fact Mcdonalds for making my life hell as everyone spells my name wrong when I tell them it.i am pure dead raging over it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rfc#1. 1,877 Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 There is nothing wrong with admitting we have an issue, I bet you guys would roll up at an aa meeting and point out that wee john Paul had one more half than you so you don't really have a problem worth looking at until he sorts his problem...I'd roll up wi a carry out,get pissed and batter wee john paul. Wee bheastly bastard. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
govanblue 16,847 Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 I am going to start a campaign to get "Old MacDonald had a farm" banned as it has been sung to me most of my life. Or in fact Mcdonalds for making my life hell as everyone spells my name wrong when I tell them it.i am pure dead raging over it.Ring a ring a rosesA pocket full of posesAtishoo, AtishooWe all fall downLet's all laugh at plague victims! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D'Artagnan 13,319 Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 I DON'T CARE ABOUT THEMI can't believe i've been accused of being a "taig" on here, it used to be them that were famous for the denials and deflections, seems half of you are happy to do the same when it suitsI never asked if you cared for them or not.Im talking about our supporters and our club not being treated with parity before the law and the football authorities.Or do you not care about that either?PS Putting something in Caps Lock does not strengthen a weak argument. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rfc#1. 1,877 Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 Ring a ring a rosesA pocket full of posesAtishoo, AtishooWe all fall downLet's all laugh at plague victims! That crossed the line m8.Ma great,great,great,great,great granny had the plague,its nothin to joke about. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
govanblue 16,847 Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 That crossed the line m8.Ma great,great,great,great,great granny had the plague,its nothin to joke about.I know mate - I regretted it as soon as I posted it, but it was too late. Still could've been worse - She could've had blight! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malvern 11,329 Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 Ring a ring a rosesA pocket full of posesAtishoo, AtishooWe all fall downLet's all laugh at plague victims! There is no need to bring the plague victims into this you complete c*nt (you know I love yah) Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rfc#1. 1,877 Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 I know mate - I regretted it as soon as I posted it, but it was too late. Still could've been worse - She could've had blight! Its ok mate don't feel bad,it was a long time ago. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malvern 11,329 Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 That crossed the line m8.Ma great,great,great,great,great granny had the plague,its nothin to joke about.You made govan feel bad, say sorry and bed his forgiveness (think he was making a point) Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_r_sole 366 Posted February 23, 2015 Author Share Posted February 23, 2015 I never asked if you cared for them or not.Im talking about our supporters and our club not being treated with parity before the law and the football authorities.Or do you not care about that either?PS Putting something in Caps Lock does not strengthen a weak argument.I don't think we need to wait for anyone else to be punished before we look at getting ourselves in order.I am not offended by the content of songs, but we are constantly criticised for it - we can change that easily Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
govanblue 16,847 Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 You made govan feel bad, say sorry and bed his forgiveness (think he was making a point)my forgiveness is not so easily bedded! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D'Artagnan 13,319 Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 I don't think we need to wait for anyone else to be punished before we look at getting ourselves in order.I am not offended by the content of songs, but we are constantly criticised for it - we can change that easily As has been pointed out to you, repeatedly, in this thread - no-one else is getting punished, only us Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rfc#1. 1,877 Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 You made govan feel bad, say sorry and bed his forgiveness (think he was making a point)Shit happens bro'. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
govanblue 16,847 Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 Anyway, I'm off, but I'll leave you all with this thought for the day... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rfc#1. 1,877 Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 my forgiveness is not so easily bedded! Thats no what i heard. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
govanblue 16,847 Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 Thats no what i heard.At least I've not got any Plague-Blood in me! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_r_sole 366 Posted February 23, 2015 Author Share Posted February 23, 2015 As has been pointed out to you, repeatedly, in this thread - no-one else is getting punished, only usand repeatedly I have said, it's not about anyone else! we can keep trying to deflect it away, or we could just deal with it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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