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  1. Old Club/New Club - An update

    http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sqf5he?new_post=true I do like to keep this up to date and I have found 2 new and crucial pieces of evidence to show after 54 titles, we're still going strong. Please share far and wide folks. 1) The first reference I should point to is that HM Revenue and Customs, during the sale process, released the following statement. "A liquidation provides the best opportunity to protect taxpayers, by allowing the potential investigation and pursuit of possible claims against those responsible for the company’s financial affairs in recent years. A CVA would restrict the scope of such action. Moreover the liquidation route does not prejudice the proposed sale of the club. This sale can take place either through a CVA or a liquidation. So the sale is not being undermined, it simply takes a different route. Liquidation will enable a sale of the football assets to be made to a new company, thereby ensuring that football will continue at Ibrox. It also means that the new company will be free from claims or litigation in a way which would not be achievable with a CVA. Rangers can make a fresh start." The football assets being sold to another company allows the club to continue playing as is at Ibrox. The statement can be found in the UK Tax Gov archives here: http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20130502100322/http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/news/Rangers.htm 2) celtic fans complained to the Advertising Standards Agency about how the club was advertising. The advert claimed that Rangers were the “most successful club” and this was the point of the complaint. The ASA ruled on this both in an initial finding and on appeal and wrote the following: “Whilst the ASA acknowledged that Newco had not taken on all of the debts and liabilities of Oldco when it purchased its assets and that that would normally preclude a business from trading on the reputation of a liquidated predecessor company, we noted, having read its report in full, that both an Independent Commission appointed by the SPL and the ECA had reached the conclusion that the football club RFC was a recognisable entity in its own right, and that it had continued in existence despite being transferred to another owner and operator. We consulted with UEFA, which explained that its rules allowed for the recognition of the “sporting continuity” of a club’s match record, even if that club’s corporate structure had changed. We also consulted with the SFA, which confirmed that its definition of a football “club” varied depending on context, and could sometimes refer to an entity separate from the club’s corporate owner. The SFA further pointed out that, following RFC’s transfer to a new corporate owner, Newco did not take a new membership of the Scottish FA but rather that the previous membership was transferred across to them so they could continue as the same member of the Scottish FA. We considered that consumers would understand that the claim in question related to the football club rather than to its owner and operator and we therefore concluded that it was not misleading for the ad to make reference to RFC's history, which was separate to that of Newco.” “given RFC's history, the claim "Scotland's most successful club" was valid and would not mislead.” This can be found here: https://www.asa.org.uk/rulings/the-Rangers-football-club-ltd-a13-224406.html It is very clear from the above the ASA in the UK determined through thorough investigation that Rangers FC were still the same club. 3) Moving on to Right Honorable Lord Nimmo Smith who during an investigation into Rangers FC use of tax schemes. The issue put to the Law Lord was this: “Paragraphs 2 and 6 of the list of preliminary issues advance essentially the same argument, which is that on 14 June 2012, when the business and assets of Oldco were purchased and transferred to Newco, Rangers FC ceased to be a Club as defined in the Rules, and is accordingly not subject to the jurisdiction of the SPL, and thus of this Commission, in relation to any breach or breaches of the Rules committed in the period prior to that date. “ His response, in findings, concluded this: “While it no doubt depends on individual circumstances what exactly is comprised in the undertaking of any particular Club, it would at the least comprise its name, the contracts with its players, its manager and other staff, and its ground, even though these may change from time to time. In common speech a Club is treated as a recognisable entity which is capable of being owned and operated, and which continues in existence despite its transfer to another owner and operator.” “While there can be no question of subjecting the new owner and operator to sanctions, there are sanctions which could be imposed in terms of the Rules which are capable of affecting the Club as a continuing entity (even though not an entity with legal personality), and which thus might affect the interest of the new owner and operator in it.” Lord Nimmo Smith is a top Law Lord with 40 years experience and this was his summary on the topic in a legal enquiry for the SPL who were the owners of the Football League Rangers played in at the time. He clearly states the club is a continuing entity in his legal and unchallenged findings. This can be found here: https://spfl.co.uk/news/article/commission-reasons-for-september-12-decision-2012-09-20/mediaassets/doc/SPL Commission reasons for decision of 12 September 2012.pdf 4) Next up in the quest of understanding if the club is the same or not was the Chief Executive of the Scottish Professional Football League. Essentially this is the guy at the very top of the tree in The football League organisation and he said the following: “In terms of the question about old club, new club, that was settled very much by the Lord Nimmo Smith commission that was put together by the SPL to look at EBT payments at that time. The decision, very clearly from the commission, was that the club is the same, the club continues, albeit it is owned by a new company, but the club is the same.” “The member club is the entity that participates in our league and we have 42 member clubs. Those clubs may be owned by a company, sometimes it’s a Private Limited Company, sometimes it’s a PLC, but ultimately, the company is a legal entity in its own right, which owns a member club that participates in the league. It’s the same club.” You can read his statement in the local press here: http://www.BOYCOTT THIS LINK/sport/football/football-news/Rangers-same-club-existed-before-4904432 5) In another court case, the "Top" Lawyer "representing" Scottish Football who has represented SPFL, the SFL and indeed celtic Football Club, who are Rangers oldest rivals, under oath, as he was a witness made the following comment: "It was agreed that Rangers FC, NOW OWNED by Sevco Scotland, would play in the 1st division, but this didn't work out. The Club, with a capital C, had been sold to Sevco Scotland ltd." Rod McKenzie was the solicitor for the League bodies in Scotland and the guy closest to most of this and he confirmed in a court of law that the club was legally sold on and therefore continued. 6) The top footballing body in Europe is UEFA whom im sure you are aware of. Their stance on the issue is very clear and can be found by clicking here on their website. http://www.uefa.com/teamsandplayers/teams/club=50121/profile/ This is the profile for Rangers Football Club with all their recent scores showing however the main point is on the right of the picture where it lists their Club record in UEFA competitions going back before 2012 Won the European Cup Winners Cup in 1972 (40 years prior to when Mr Clark claims they were born) Biggest win: 28/09/1983, Rangers 10-0 Valletta, Glasgow • Biggest defeat: 09/10/1963, Real Madrid 6-0 Rangers, Madrid • Appearances in UEFA Champions League: 30 • Appearances in UEFA Cup Winners' Cup: 10 • Appearances in UEFA Europa League: 17 • Player with most UEFA appearances: 82 Barry Ferguson ( SCO) • Top scorers in UEFA club competitions: 21 Ally McCoist ( SCO) 7) In yet another recent court case which went all the way to the Supreme Court, the highest court in the UK, Lord Hodge also confirmed the continuing club by making the following statement “RFC 2012 plc which is now the name of the FORMER owners of Rangers Football Club” This statement has not made many headlines as it appears innocuous however what Lord Hodge clearly distinguishes here is that Rangers Football Club has been sold onto new owners and that the company RFC 2012 plc (in liquidation) are the ones on the hook for whatever he is describing as opposed to the new owners of Rangers Football Club which are Rangers International Football Club plc You can hear Lord Hodge make this statement at 5:22 in the following video: 8) moving onto the European Club Association (ECA) who are the sole, independent body directly representing football clubs at European level. It replaces the G-14 Group and the European Club Forum, both dissolved at the beginning of 2008. ECA are fully recognised by UEFA and FIFA. Again, having been contacted by rival fans for comments the ECA were forced to release the following statement on Rangers Football Club: "With regards to associated membership, the membership policy states amongst others that founding members are granted automatic membership. Taking into account that the 'new entity' also acquired the goodwill of the 'old entity', it was held by the ECA executive board that the goodwill, taking into account legal and practical arguments, also included the history of the 'old company'. Consequently it was concluded that Rangers FC was entitled to associated membership of ECA as considered to be a founding member." You can read the report on this from Scottish Television here: https://stv.tv/sport/football/clubs/Rangers/205975-european-clubs-body-downgrades-Rangers-status-but-recognises-history/ NEW* 9. The SPFL audited accounts have just been released and can be found here: https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/SC175364/filing-history A note in the accounts stated "Aberdeen FC, who finished 2nd in the Ladbrokes Premiership and qualified for UEFA Europa League Qualifying Rounds where they were joined by Rangers FC who finished 3rd in their first season BACK in the top flight" NEW** 10. The best of them all though has just been released as the new 10 year rankings for UEFA have been posted on their website. http://www.uefa.com/memberassociations/uefarankings/revenue/index.html In these rankings you can see our points from 2009/10, 2010/11 and 2011/12 are included in our total club ranking points. The same also applies to Derry City who found themselves in the exact same position as us. They too have maintained all their points pre administration and sale to a newco whilst oldco went "into liquidation"
  2. kranjcar

    Murty needs his baws toed for having Niko, Hodson and Hererra anywhere near the bench. A complete waste of time and would be much better with youth than that pile of shite. Hererra especially. 3 pre season games, he couldnt even score in the warm up. And thats the gods honest truth. Not 1 goal from that Pedro training exercise. Useless piece of shite.
  3. Our club & board are a shambles

    People making all sorts of excuses blaming injuries and Brighton and the eclipse of the moon. It's really quite simple in my opinion. The well is getting close to dry. We don't have millions to fork out. I actually think it's a brilliant move we haven't paid a few. But it's not through any sense of good business on our Boards part. It's simply that these guys in their current state can't take us any further forward. Welcome to the club Jamie.
  4. Jimmy Nicholl

    Waste of time.
  5. David Bates

    This all day long.
  6. Player ratings

    Foderingham 8 Tavernier 9 Bates 8 Wilson 8 John 7 Kranjcar 1 McCrorie 6 Holt 7 Windass 5 Morelos 7 Candeias 8 Others Pena 1 Herrera 0 (Big sack of useless spuds) Alves 0 (Shitebag)
  7. Dorrans

    Very true. 0 good passes in the first half. 2 good passes in the 2nd. Defo better as it went on.
  8. Beaton

    Madden apologised to Andy Halliday after the Hibs red card a few seasons back that he got wrong.
  9. Beaton

    Stokes should have walked twice in that game. The first one was ridiculous. No doubt about it in my mind. Doesnt change my opinion though. Hibs had a stick on penalty the other week. We got away with it. Collum gave a penalty against us last season that was 2 yards outside the box. It went against us. Ross County player deliberately dived against the manks and got a penalty that was as bad as ive seen in years. Shit happens.
  10. Beaton

    Must admit im with Deanz on the cheating bit also. Its quite simple in Scotland. Gers fans think everyone is pro mank. Mank fans think everyone is pro Gers. All non Mank and Gers fans think everyone is pro Mank and Gers. We cant all be right. For every decision we show that goes against us, i bet Brendan and Dimothy could find an equally bad one that went against them. Some times i dont even think its the refereeing standard thats bad. Ive seen decisions where the replay has shown it from 6 different angles and Ive been 100% sure im right only to see it from a 7th angle and think, oops, shit, he got it right. The game is so fast nowadays that they make decisions on the spot and of course they will get it wrong. Offsides another thing that people moan about that linesmen are cheats because after Sky has went through 3 slow motions and a pause from a ball that was played from 50 yards away it shows the guys toe was offside and the linesman missed it. It doesnt stop me moaning about refs in the heat of the moment stuff by the way but I dont believe any of them deliberately go out to give decisions against us or them or anyone and ultimately risk a good pay nowadays.
  11. Windass.

    Murty is unlocking it..
  12. Club Statement

    "The position of Rangers manager requires an ability to win football matches.........After the two games against Aberdeen, we requested permission to engage with their manager" And as for concomitant, its written by a conco fucking mutant.
  13. Windass.

    There's a player in there somewhere. We need somebody to unlock it.
  14. Sons of the Sloth, Why the Silence?

    Very very few people who invest millions into a football team make a profit. I struggle to think of any since McCann truth be told and I can widen that to all of football, not just our little back water. Even at a discounted rate, unless we get it right in the Boardroom, in the accounts and on the pitch (in any order) then the share price and attraction won't budge. Football mainly is "heart purchase" or "status purchase" it's just not a profitable game.
  15. Sons of the Sloth, Why the Silence?

    Just my opinion, but I can't see King ever making his money back either. Certainly not the £20m and I doubt even the money he has put in recently, if it's all converted to shares.