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57 minutes ago, Creampuff said:

Is Federer actually going to win #20 at 36? :lol: 

Needs to beat Berdych-Chung-Cilic to do it (assuming high rank wins).

As an aside, would that be one of Fed’s easiest routes to a slam? 

Bedene-Struff-Gasquet-Fucsovics-Berdych-Chung-Cilic

That route is about as easy as it gets 

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On 23/01/2018 at 17:59, Rangers_no1 said:

He's had many easy routes to slam wins in the past, can add this to his collection.

Fed couldn't have hand picked the last 12 months better if he wanted to, if it wasn't for a Del Potro masterclass Fed would have won 4 out of the last 5 slams and the fifth he didn't compete in. Sure he would settle for 3/4 if you offered him. Will win Wimbeldon comfortably this year as well. 

Tbf, when you win 19 there’s bound to be some simple ones.

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Cilic extremely fortunate to go 2-0 up there. 

6 or 7 points in the back-end of the second set Cilic had a net chord and, to my memory, he won every point.

People always say that they even themselves out and, mathematically speaking, they probably do. But there’s no chance they level themselves out in terms of importance. 

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1 hour ago, Rangers_no1 said:

Rudeski is bang on absolutely outrageous decision. Can call it conspiracy theories all you want but this would never be an indoors final for anybody else bar Federer. Not the first time decision made that completely favours Fed.

Completely? The received wisdom is that somehow nobody can gain an advantage from a roof except Federer, but if it was Cilic vs any other player in his late 30s, people would be saying the slower court favours the younger man and the man with the hard flat ground strokes. Federer moves much better than Cilic, so a slower court will be better for Cilic than a faster court (it will be better for Federer too, because it makes Cilic's serve easier to deal with, but it IS actually possible for something to benefit both players).
 

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7 minutes ago, Creampuff said:

Plus Cilic should be able to use indoor conditions to make a much higher first serve %. When you’ve got a weapon like Cilic does on serve that’s a major bonus.

Anyway, Federer wins because he’s the GOAT.

GOAT is on his way to Dingwall mate 

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4 hours ago, JamieD said:

Completely? The received wisdom is that somehow nobody can gain an advantage from a roof except Federer, but if it was Cilic vs any other player in his late 30s, people would be saying the slower court favours the younger man and the man with the hard flat ground strokes. Federer moves much better than Cilic, so a slower court will be better for Cilic than a faster court (it will be better for Federer too, because it makes Cilic's serve easier to deal with, but it IS actually possible for something to benefit both players).
 

Surely favours the player who goes for the lines more, ultimately? And that is Federer.

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8 minutes ago, TheKingObv said:

Surely favours the player who goes for the lines more, ultimately? And that is Federer.

Sure, but a faster court also favours the player who goes for the lines more, and most agree that courts play slower indoors.  There is a trade-off on every single supposed advantage it gives him. Harder to hit through the court for the less powerful player, likely to increase rally length, etc. It's just churlish and silly the way people always act like he's the only player who might actually get a boost from it. Cilic's main chance against Federer, who is better tactically and has better movement, is if he also plays attacking tennis and blasts Federer off the court, so a lack of wind would be better for him too, right? He needs to be painting the lines too, surely? The only time he beat Federer, at the 2014 US Open, he had twice as many winners and more unforced errors too, so I'm not sure why we should assume conditions favouring gung-ho tennis over cautious defence put him at a disadvantage.

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5 hours ago, JamieD said:

Sure, but a faster court also favours the player who goes for the lines more, and most agree that courts play slower indoors.  There is a trade-off on every single supposed advantage it gives him. Harder to hit through the court for the less powerful player, likely to increase rally length, etc. It's just churlish and silly the way people always act like he's the only player who might actually get a boost from it. Cilic's main chance against Federer, who is better tactically and has better movement, is if he also plays attacking tennis and blasts Federer off the court, so a lack of wind would be better for him too, right? He needs to be painting the lines too, surely? The only time he beat Federer, at the 2014 US Open, he had twice as many winners and more unforced errors too, so I'm not sure why we should assume conditions favouring gung-ho tennis over cautious defence put him at a disadvantage.

Fair points. I just feel indoors is always gonna suit the player who relies more on finesse. I don't think it's some conspiracy though.

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Federer’s first round loss means Nadal will return to the top of the rankings despite not playing this week. 

Federer will also skip the clay court season again to prepare for Wimbledon. 

Looking at the ranking points, he could well return to world number one during the clay court season without playing a match as Rafa has plenty of points to defend.

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