OneDavidCooper 2,505 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 His association with the group of players that have cost us promotion has made him damaged goods. Not for me. He could hardly help who the players were seeing as though they were what he inherited. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr RFC 696 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 Not for me. He could hardly help who the players were seeing as though they were what he inherited.I agree i still think he did a fantastic job to get us to a final but he's guilty by association now. This appointment has to be inspiring and McCall does not get me excited to see his Rangers take on Raith Rovers next year. I'd worry that someone like Nick Law for example would continue to get a game when his performances don't warrant it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlBear. 8,499 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 Not for me. He could hardly help who the players were seeing as though they were what he inherited.If he had achieved promotion he would rightly got the credit. You can't have it both ways. Promotion - "Well done Stuart". Fail - "Well done Stuart, not your fault anyway." Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneDavidCooper 2,505 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 If he had achieved promotion he would rightly got the credit. You can't have it both ways. Promotion - "Well done Stuart". Fail - "Well done Stuart, not your fault anyway." So by that criteria he should have told Rangers to fuck off when they invited him to take over as caretaker. I don't buy that reasoning. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneDavidCooper 2,505 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 I agree i still think he did a fantastic job to get us to a final but he's guilty by association now. This appointment has to be inspiring and McCall does not get me excited to see his Rangers take on Raith Rovers next year. I'd worry that someone like Nick Law for example would continue to get a game when his performances don't warrant it. So if Warburton and Cathro had have been caretaker managers and we didn't go up, then we'd not want them either? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr RFC 696 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 So if Warburton and Cathro had have been caretaker managers and we didn't go up, then we'd not want them either?Pretty much. There would be at least the same clamour to replace them.McCall was brought in on a short term basis. It's not the same as saying this is our manager now if he gets us up fair enough but he'll be given time to rebuild regardless. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sket 13,610 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 So if Warburton and Cathro had have been caretaker managers and we didn't go up, then we'd not want them either?Warburton and Cathro weren't in charge though, were they? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneDavidCooper 2,505 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 Warburton and Cathro weren't in charge though, were they? No they weren't but if people think they are such great candidates why would such a short term spell in charge have mattered? Its that kind of short termism that is disasterous for clubs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlBear. 8,499 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 So by that criteria he should have told Rangers to fuck off when they invited him to take over as caretaker.I don't buy that reasoning.What, why? He obviously thought he could do it.If he had achieved promotion he would have been a shoe in for the job and that would have been popular. He failed so at best he should be bottom of the list. Loyal-Bear 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sket 13,610 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 No they weren't but if people think they are such great candidates why would such a short term spell in charge have mattered?Its that kind of short termism that is disasterous for clubs.We are the masters at short-termism. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingKirk 25,643 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 McCall getting this job ahead of Pereira or Warburton would be a kick in the balls especially when it fact we have had length discussion with both. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneDavidCooper 2,505 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 What, why? He obviously thought he could do it. If he had achieved promotion he would have been a shoe in for the job and that would have been popular. He failed so at best he should be bottom of the list. That is nonsense. Why should he be a shoe in just for getting us through the play offs (which in the scheme of things is no big deal)? Why should he be bottom of the list simply because we lost to a team a division above us? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr RFC 696 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 That is nonsense. Why should he be a shoe in just for getting us through the play offs (which in the scheme of things is no big deal)? Why should he be bottom of the list simply because we lost to a team a division above us?You don't think promotion is a big deal? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneDavidCooper 2,505 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 You don't think promotion is a big deal?Of course i do, it meant everything to me at the time. What I'm trying to convey is that in terms of finding the best man for the job long term I don't think the only criteria for judging one man is winning 2 games against a team a division above us with someone else's team. Presumably, by looking at other managers the powers that be have other targets in mind than mere promotion via the play offs and I think personally it is a shame that we dismiss from our thoughts a man who was brave enough to take the job on when we were at our lowest ebb and who may still be the best candidate available. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneDavidCooper 2,505 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 Anyway, interesting debate.I just hope whoever gets it is the right man and we all get behind him.I will, even if it's Cathro. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr RFC 696 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 Of course i do, it meant everything to me at the time. What I'm trying to convey is that in terms of finding the best man for the job long term I don't think the only criteria for judging one man is winning 2 games against a team a division above us with someone else's team. Presumably, by looking at other managers the powers that be have other targets in mind than mere promotion via the play offs and I think personally it is a shame that we dismiss from our thoughts a man who was brave enough to take the job on when we were at our lowest ebb and who may still be the best candidate available.I'm not dismissing him on the basis of two games, i don't think he's good enough to be Rangers manager. I apprecite him stepping up but thats gone now and it's time to look for a long term appointment. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithgersbear 3,225 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 So who is likely to get it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bestie 25 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 I still don't know what is wrong with Stuart McCall. He is easily the best candidate in my opinion.Would be some anti climax to end up with him, he has absolutely nothing going for him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stafford 163 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 Let's just employ them all.. Pereira, Cathro, and Warburton.. Co-Managers. Mendes, Weir, Rae, and McCall as assistants with Magath, Smith, McLeish and Wotte as directors of football and development Mulholland, Durie and Durrant as coaches. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canabear 4,558 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 Let's just employ them all.. Pereira, Cathro, and Warburton.. Co-Managers. Mendes, Weir, Rae, and McCall as assistants with Magath, Smith, McLeish and Wotte as directors of football and development Mulholland, Durie and Durrant as coaches.Let's kid on King has the money to pay that lot. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bear cub1 292 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 If it's either - Periera, Warbuton or Cathro I will be really happy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stafford 163 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 Let's kid on King has the money to pay that lot.Being more serious though I would be happy with Cathro, Warburton or Pereira they all have risks but Also offer a new exciting direction. mibawzer 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smile 26,606 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 Its really hard to judge McCall when he came in the players had chucked the towel in, they were fucking pathetic.i think bar playing too many games in the Play offs we could have went up under him.My worry was his substitutions and some of his tactical decisions they were not that good, the changes against Hearts when we were roasting them made me think the job was maybe too big for him.I think the board will go with someone new in the hope it sells season tickets but will be a hard sell in this division again. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mabawsa 888 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 Ask Mrs Warbuton. Allegedly seen this weekend moving into Michael Ball's old home that the club own. Said lady seen last night with a gentleman remarkably look-a-like for Mr Warbuton in Bearsden Area watching CL Final.Could be a coincidence. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gartsherriederry 81 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 Paddy power just suspended betting on warburton becoming our manager ..could be he's a cert or out the running now could mean anything Andy1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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