tannerall 25,935 Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 If John "Jock" Stein CBE the ex celtic manager is found to have been aware or even implicated alongside Jim Torbett in the alleged sexual assaults that took place at Parkhead on youths in the 60s and 70s should he be stripped of his tainted CBE title ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Jock_Knew Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dickie1963 2,352 Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 I think I am correct in saying nobody has ever denied that he knew. At some point someone in power will have the balls to take this issue on and he will be stripped of his CBE and they will be forced to rename that Stand. When the Hillsborough prosecutions were announced Sheffield Wednesday could not be prosecuted because a different company owned the club and nobody still worked there. Presumably they would claim the same precedent. When I see a picture of him I feel a bit nauseous. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DW1872 1,207 Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 Tainted title? Least of their problems. Tainted history? Most certainly. I actually take no pleasure in their squalid, vile history because of the lives they have ruined and behavior they have covered up or turned a blind eye to. And yet they take the 'sporting integrity' moral high ground. Sickening, sad and unjust to everyone affected. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
standup 829 Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 How many knew is the big question. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moody Blue Legend 61,467 Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 Their whole cesspit organisation should be brought to task. Vermin. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
watpnosurrender 274 Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 I said this the other day but if the taigs lose titles then it could be as much as 14 league titles including 11 Scottish cups and 5 league cups and the European cup Jim torbetts disgusting actions started in 1967 and Celtic hid it right up to 1996 and that doesn't include all the other dirty bastards that were at that stinking shitehole of a club Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryju84 3,170 Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Boys club was a separate entity Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copland bear 7,966 Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Jock Stein was not the problem it was the directors who were directors of Torbetts company's and making plenty of money from Torbett that was the problem. This was way above Jock Stein at Celtic park as he was only an employee, the past owners were the problem. To blame Stein is playing right into their hands blame the real culprits. Celtic football club . Jock Stein's only crime was he did not report it and that would have came from the very top and the Celtic board. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieD 18,940 Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Being a nonce seems pretty much a prerequisite for getting an honour, would be odd to see it as something that would disqualify someone. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieD 18,940 Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 2 hours ago, Copland bear said: Jock Stein was not the problem it was the directors who were directors of Torbetts company's and making plenty of money from Torbett that was the problem. This was way above Jock Stein at Celtic park as he was only an employee, the past owners were the problem. To blame Stein is playing right into their hands blame the real culprits. Celtic football club . Jock Stein's only crime was he did not report it and that would have came from the very top and the Celtic board. That's quite a fucking big one to be fair. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
only14me 381 Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Anyone, including, Stein who knew what was going on could have reported it. The fact that Stein was "just an employee" does not exonerate him. BJK and he covered it up. That is a fact. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carling1873 1,404 Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 5 hours ago, Copland bear said: Jock Stein was not the problem it was the directors who were directors of Torbetts company's and making plenty of money from Torbett that was the problem. This was way above Jock Stein at Celtic park as he was only an employee, the past owners were the problem. To blame Stein is playing right into their hands blame the real culprits. Celtic football club . Jock Stein's only crime was he did not report it and that would have came from the very top and the Celtic board. Anyone who knows a crime is being committed (especially this kind) is duty bound to report it above and to the Police. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geneva_ger 9,331 Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 9 hours ago, Carling1873 said: Anyone who knows a crime is being committed (especially this kind) is duty bound to report it above and to the Police. I'm thinking out loud but if a person, any person, was to make a very loud claim about any or all of the alleged activity, and named names, would any of the named and alleged perpetrators have the bottle to sue in court? We need a fall guy to do the honours and bring the exposure required. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copland bear 7,966 Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 12 hours ago, Carling1873 said: Anyone who knows a crime is being committed (especially this kind) is duty bound to report it above and to the Police. I know that , you know that, but his employers called the shots on this one and that's whynthe club must be punished as this came from the very top Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copland bear 7,966 Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 15 hours ago, JamieD said:That's quite a fucking big one to be fair. Yes it is Jamie, butbhenwas told to,protect the good name of Celtic by the families who owned Celtic to keep,Celtics good name clean. He was the only one who challenged Torbett and kicked his arse out the door but once Stein left the board let Torbett back in and Celtic must be hammered for this as we already know of one man who Torbett abused on his return. As a club celtic must be held accountable and pay compensation to every victim Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieD 18,940 Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 28 minutes ago, Copland bear said: Yes it is Jamie, butbhenwas told to,protect the good name of Celtic by the families who owned Celtic to keep,Celtics good name clean. He was the only one who challenged Torbett and kicked his arse out the door but once Stein left the board let Torbett back in and Celtic must be hammered for this as we already know of one man who Torbett abused on his return. As a club celtic must be held accountable and pay compensation to every victim I appreciate that what he did was marginally less heinous than what the directors did, but that's not much of a defence. If my boss ordered me to cover up child abuse I would kick his teeth down his throat. I wouldn't give a fuck about the good name of the company. I'd like to think that's true of most of us. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieD 18,940 Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 41 minutes ago, Copland bear said: I know that , you know that, but his employers called the shots on this one and that's whynthe club must be punished as this came from the very top You say that like he had no option. The alternative option was to ignore his employers and go to the police, like any decent person would, and sue the club for all it was worth if he suffered financially. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copland bear 7,966 Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Just now, JamieD said: You say that like he had no option. The alternativ option was to ignore his employers and go to the police, like any decent person would. But he did not and the rest is history Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieD 18,940 Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Just now, Copland bear said: But he did not and the rest is history Yes, hence people quite rightly criticising him and finding no grounds to understand why he did what he did and no excuse in the fact he had pressure from above. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copland bear 7,966 Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 5 minutes ago, JamieD said: Yes, hence people quite rightly criticising him and finding no grounds to understand why he did what he did and no excuse in the fact he had pressure from above. It was all about Celtic and never about the victims. And after all Stein did for them on and off the park they still never made him a director shafted him because he was a Protestant And they say we were bigots for not signing Catholics? But funny how they forget how their great club treated Stein in the end yet name a stand after him? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Nosed Babe 20,659 Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 It proves he was not a decent human being. None of them were. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin 13,619 Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 On 7/12/2017 at 8:38 AM, Ryju84 said: Boys club was a separate entity This is bullshit to escape liability If this was a "seperate entity" then why did Celtic involve themselves and their lawyers when Cairney was found out in the New Jersey incident. These " lawyers" and celtic convinced the families that Frank Cairney would be removed and that no police involvement was needed. So what or who gave celtic the power to sack people from this "seperate entity" which apparently had nothing to do with craptic? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottyscott1963 18,319 Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 The "separate entity" is to make sure any claims are denied by the club. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin 13,619 Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 3 minutes ago, scottyscott1963 said: The "separate entity" is to make sure any claims are denied by the club. Correct..no liability Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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